00:05:47
kiersten5821:matrix.org:
geonic: really?
00:06:26
geonic:
yep
00:08:01
DataHoarder:
sech1: monero_wallet: uri is not for making txs, but restoration
00:12:37
DataHoarder:
that scheme probably needs a revamp for new carrot as well
00:13:04
kiersten5821:matrix.org:
geonic: do you have a source
00:18:06
geonic:
kiersten5821: https://archive.ph/20260213070848/https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-02-13/darknet-demand-for-monero-xmr-rises-stumping-crime-fighters
00:18:45
geonic:
"[...] said Justin Ehrenhofer, who in 2023 set up a firm to investigate Monero transactions that was subsequently bought by his current employer, NAXO."
00:20:05
DataHoarder:
funnily, monero: url scheme works in href links
00:20:07
DataHoarder:
but not monero_wallet
00:20:44
DataHoarder:
monero-wallet would
00:21:55
DataHoarder:
I added `monero_wallet:` to entries under https://blocks.p2pool.observer/proofs
00:21:57
DataHoarder:
making them monero-wallet works, otherwise it assumes it's a relative link!
00:24:46
DataHoarder:
`scheme = ALPHA *( ALPHA / DIGIT / "+" / "-" / "." )`
00:24:48
DataHoarder:
*scheme = ALPHA *( ALPHA / DIGIT / "+" / "-" / "." )
00:25:22
DataHoarder:
basically according to RFC 3986 monero_wallet is not a valid scheme. _ is not in the allowed list (it can be included after)
00:25:24
DataHoarder:
see https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc3986#section-3.1
00:26:33
DataHoarder:
as it is is unusable in applications (like browsers) that follow RFC 3986
00:26:54
plowsof:
thanks DataHoarder this is the exact esoteric uri knowledge i've been waiting for
00:29:31
kiersten5821:matrix.org:
geonic: thanks, that's really important to know idk why anyone would use a wallet from a surveillance firm
00:30:43
geonic:
you're welcome. no one would, if they knew who the guy behind it is. hopefully sgp discloses this information in future marketing messages
00:31:40
jw_:
I mean, to be fair, the software is open source and forces you to run your own backend
00:32:04
jw_:
would be pretty obvious if it was phoning home also I guess
00:39:28
DataHoarder:
it'd maybe work on QR codes, but it should use RFC 3986 there too (os might not allow to register handlers for not valid schemes)
00:41:45
DataHoarder:
I can't even find where monero_wallet url scheme would get defined to get handled by OS
00:43:40
geonic:
sure, but it would be less obvious if it was harming network anonymity in other ways. would you use an open-source monero wallet made by chainalysis?
00:43:47
plowsof:
the monero-gui has not implemented importing via monero_wallet links yet so this is uncharted territory?
00:55:17
jw_:
if it sucked less mebbe :P
00:56:01
geonic:
but it would still be useful to know it's by chainalysis right :)
00:56:50
jw_:
cake wallet could be funded by CIA
00:56:58
jw_:
why would you expect to know?
00:57:06
jw_:
tbh maybe it's better if it's known at all right?
00:57:38
geonic:
wait are you justifying a confirmed fact with a hypothetical
00:57:56
geonic:
monero itself could be a NSA honeypot
00:58:36
ufo808:matrix.org:
chances are low, but never zero
00:59:23
geonic:
right. so let's ignore facts because life is fleeting and at the end of the day nothing matters ...
01:02:22
ufo808:matrix.org:
Linkin Park - In The End 🎵
01:03:44
nioc:
Cat brings meaning to life, the tao of Cat
01:04:08
nioc:
btw Cat's wallet of choice is the CLI
01:09:10
DataHoarder:
mnemonic can be encoded as raw bytes yes
01:09:12
DataHoarder:
and that is vastly smaller
01:09:16
DataHoarder:
even after doing base64 on it
01:09:51
DataHoarder:
hex is bigger than base64, yet still smaller than the mnemonic string
01:09:55
DataHoarder:
plowsof: mnemonic AS hex
01:10:29
DataHoarder:
the mnemonic denotes a byte string value
01:10:31
DataHoarder:
with a checksum as well
01:10:33
jw_:
I just don't really get what you're complaining about, it's not like he hides his identity or where he has worked, and if there was something nefarious about then...wouldn't he just publish under a nym?
01:10:55
jw_:
also am a cli wallet enjoyoor
01:11:03
jw_:
but I did test skylight beta
01:11:38
DataHoarder:
not always Cindy_
01:12:12
DataHoarder:
there is "secret key" too :P
01:12:14
DataHoarder:
sometimes there's a step from mnemonic raw bytes -> seed key
01:12:51
DataHoarder:
then another step from seed to spend
01:13:59
DataHoarder:
Cindy_: seed is not spend key always
01:15:10
DataHoarder:
if you look at base mnemonic yes Cindy_, but other stuff like polyseed or whatnot is different
01:15:12
DataHoarder:
also carrot :P
01:15:48
DataHoarder:
example -> border gutter unlikely coexist tsunami muddy portents pioneer arrow inflamed upper altitude loudly afraid luggage ounce against mowing spout egotistic trolling aggravate pivot pumpkins altitude encodes to fedd3d8a5918d4ac0307d9679fae0321209a347d2055a486d3c239a21f72ee05 under cryptonote
01:16:23
DataHoarder:
fedd3d8a5918d4ac0307d9679fae0321209a347d2055a486d3c239a21f72ee05 is also the spend key
01:16:24
DataHoarder:
so Cindy_ is asking that instead of passing border gutter unlikely coexist tsunami muddy portents pioneer arrow inflamed upper altitude loudly afraid luggage ounce against mowing spout egotistic trolling aggravate pivot pumpkins altitude on URL you pass fedd3d8a5918d4ac0307d9679fae0321209a347d2055a486d3c239a21f72ee05
01:17:01
DataHoarder:
you can go backwards in that step
01:17:03
DataHoarder:
(it's 1:1 encoding)
01:17:37
DataHoarder:
in case of mnemonic
01:18:14
DataHoarder:
polyseed differs a bit, but you could also just encode raw bytes
01:18:50
DataHoarder:
in total it's 150 bits for secret + 15 bits of feature/birthday
01:19:27
DataHoarder:
the 11 bits of checksum are not needed in hex encoding
01:20:01
DataHoarder:
from this the secret seed is derived, which is what starts the wallet construction process Cindy_
01:20:03
DataHoarder:
see https://github.com/tevador/polyseed
01:21:12
DataHoarder:
in case there's just mnemonic and standard legacy wallet, you could just send spend key
01:21:48
DataHoarder:
in some original wallets spend/view key were determined at random separately Cindy_. so you need to send both
01:22:25
DataHoarder:
then the derivation of the mnemonic/secret is different depending on wallet implementation ( 👀 MyMonero)
01:42:32
sgp_:
Maybe a stupid question, but does the smaller size matter from a practical point of view?
01:45:49
geonic:
jw_: my only complaint is about the lack of disclosure. like for example when you respond here without noting that you’re a board member of the entity that develops the wallet in question. someone could confuse you for a disinterested observer
01:47:00
geonic:
if he’s not ashamed of working for blockchain surveillance, disclose it. it’s simple. Perhaps an agenda item for your next board meeting
01:48:11
geonic:
also did justin pm you instead of responding to me directly? lol
01:52:48
kiersten5821:matrix.org:
geonic: is this entire chat surveillance firm employees
01:52:54
vikrants:
Huh? Are u ok? > <jw_> cake wallet could be funded by CIA
01:53:53
geonic:
kiersten5821: apparently
01:55:54
kiersten5821:matrix.org:
how did you find out jw was on the board?
01:59:43
geonic:
it’s on their website, but you would need to know his name since his handle isn’t listed there
01:59:48
geonic:
https://magicgrants.org/about/
02:19:03
omurad:matrix.org:
“We help law enforcement agencies … This includes in-depth analysis of blockchain transactions and infrastructure, advanced tracing of Monero and other privacy coins …”
02:19:06
omurad:matrix.org:
https://www.naxo.com/for-law-enforcement
02:19:12
omurad:matrix.org:
share sauce plz
02:20:33
geonic:
pls download our wallet
02:57:06
Guest51:
Hello everybody
03:03:12
ravfx:xmr.mx:
One day I will make a windows only wallet just for fun
03:03:12
ravfx:xmr.mx:
It will be lighter than feather
03:06:19
ravfx:xmr.mx:
(feather is great, I have nothing agains feather, but feather target all platform and so have to include extra fat for it to work, with is not required when you target an OS with a stable ABI)
03:10:22
nioc:
I know someone that is still running windows 7
03:10:35
nioc:
will it work on that?
03:12:56
ravfx:xmr.mx:
me too,
03:12:56
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Yes, I can make it work on windows7+, just have to target windows 7 and it till work on that one and all the others after that. Assmuming I can compile all requuired the monero libs on that platform.
03:14:30
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Windows come with GUI and network shit that are forward compatible with all version of windows made after, but it's not the case with extra libraries that don't come with the OS, that would require extra time to test and validate, assuming it can compile with a compiler that can target windows 7.. Else it would need to be patched to be compatible
03:16:41
ravfx:xmr.mx:
I am pretty sure Tobtoht actually wanted to take that road first, for the windows version, but then opted to only use QT (time is valuable)
07:16:09
rbrunner7:
Well, I would be very curious what technology you would choose, @ravfx:xmr.mx , with a Windows-only Monero wallet, for building the GUI. I am a Windows guy, and as far as I know, the many options for building GUIs for a Windows program all have their problems in one way or another. IMHO it's a very good example for a search for "least bad".
07:40:32
jueyy:matrix.org:
Best place to buy monero anon?
09:17:08
cigdan:gibstutz.chat:
Probably Retoswap, depending where you live.
10:49:29
jw_:
geonic, I'm not that interested, and no I just happened to join irc after a long break
10:51:01
jw_:
https://i.redd.it/gy0xqhksbuq71.jpg
10:53:39
hooftly:matrix.org:
So you dont comment in how long and then when the product of the board you sit on is questioned you magically just happened to rejoin, comment on SGP and thats it?
10:53:39
hooftly:matrix.org:
Seems legit...
10:53:51
jw_:
:D
10:53:54
jw_:
yes
10:54:10
jw_:
but like I said I'm not that interested anyway so won't bother commenting again
10:54:41
hooftly:matrix.org:
Everyone sees through that but k
10:55:24
jw_:
it was really random and I just chimed in more to say hi to george than to start an argument but k
11:02:47
BlueyHealer:
Who's George?
11:03:27
jw_:
who's BlueyHealer ?
11:05:17
sech1:
I mean, who in their right mind would use a wallet that's call literally Skynet wallet?
11:05:23
sech1:
*called
11:06:10
jw_:
good q
11:07:24
hooftly:matrix.org:
Why even build it Im curious what was the motivation?
11:09:52
jw_:
I think main motivation was to fill a gap in wallet ecosystem - there was no GUI open source lightwallet client, was there?
11:10:11
jw_:
mymonero was open source I guess but I'm not sure latest source was available and they died
11:10:23
jw_:
which left edge wallet which is closed source, right?
11:13:06
hooftly:matrix.org:
Seems reasonable. So you have seen meaningful download numbers since such a gap obviously existed?
11:17:10
jw_:
I haven't looked at download numbers
11:17:16
jw_:
like I said I'm not that interested
11:17:55
jw_:
but I would guess not since it forces you to run your own node, and most people are lazy and would never do such a thing :P
11:27:47
hooftly:matrix.org:
You mean a remote node that anyone can prop up and serve to any user? What enforces your "own" node?
11:32:53
jw_:
nothing at all, but do you know any remote lightwallet node as a server services?
11:33:05
jw_:
so at this moment in time it requires you to run your own node afaik
11:54:23
BlueyHealer:
To be fair, it's not necessarily about "being lazy" - a node requires a whole lot of storage. I wouldn't want to buy an extra SSD for this even before, and now, with the prices...
11:58:21
jw_:
true, but I stand my characterization of most people being lazy :P
11:58:35
jw_:
*stand by
15:41:17
vikrants:
All this talk of wallets, at cake, i want to focus on and fix our desktop wallets from Q2 and onwards this year. After this new mobile UI release with lightning
15:41:44
vikrants:
Just giving u guys some insight into the roadmap for cake for 2026
15:45:19
randomnym:matrix.mynymbox.io:
@vikrants: A desktop wallet would be really good
15:53:15
moneromoooo:
While continuing to squat.
16:21:01
vikrants:
@randomnym:matrix.mynymbox.io: We have desktop wallets now for both cake and monerodotcom, but we just haven't given them enough love
16:28:16
randomnym:matrix.mynymbox.io:
@vikrants: Tried the Cake Wallet on desktop but the whole flow isn't really enjoyable tbh
16:28:40
vikrants:
@randomnym:matrix.mynymbox.io: exactly. Want to overhaul that completely.
16:28:56
randomnym:matrix.mynymbox.io:
@vikrants: Fantastic
16:29:24
intr:unredacted.org:
is it going to be in electron or a similar web based framework?
16:33:51
obviousreal:matrix.org:
hello, are there protocols and system setup i should follow for being here?
16:34:52
plowsof:
are you an ai agent?
16:35:29
myqtips:matrix.org:
No
16:39:19
vikrants:
@intr:unredacted.org: Right now its Flutter. Will stay Flutter or maybe we go native for each platform. Still discussing internally.
16:39:47
pyratevevo:matrix.org:
@vikrants: Big fan of Monerodotcom. Can you please also give a little love to degoogled phone users and update either the F-Droid repo or Accrescent, so that we may get automatic updates instead of manually visiting github ?
16:40:18
intr:unredacted.org:
@vikrants: something like Qt would be nice to see, but I understand it's a lot of work to build and maintain
16:40:43
vikrants:
@pyratevevo:matrix.org: Thanks. you can add our repo to Fdroid and get monerodotcom I believe.
16:41:00
vikrants:
@intr:unredacted.org: Beyond my tech knowledge
16:41:26
intr:unredacted.org:
Telegram desktop is a nice example of a native, snappy, but still modern looking desktop app
16:41:34
pyratevevo:matrix.org:
It's 8 months out of date.
16:41:35
intr:unredacted.org:
it's Qt
16:41:40
pyratevevo:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/OBBfjdrjLBeKDdTPIzOnOzuR.png (14075.png)
16:41:44
pyratevevo:matrix.org:
@vikrants: .
16:42:24
pyratevevo:matrix.org:
@intr:unredacted.org: Never occurred to me it's Qt, impressive.
16:44:12
intr:unredacted.org:
the thing is that for end users to be running a separate web browser (electron) for every desktop app is not a very nice or snappy experience but developers seem to love it
16:45:01
intr:unredacted.org:
for matrix I use Nheko for the sheer fact that it's not fucking electron lmao, even if the experience is lacking in a couple ways
16:45:18
pyratevevo:matrix.org:
Would've thought Telegram is Electron as well. This is proof you can make your app look like the modern crap without the bloat.
16:45:31
intr:unredacted.org:
I believe monero GUI is Qt as well?
16:45:51
intr:unredacted.org:
it is indeed
16:45:56
pyratevevo:matrix.org:
Wouldn't know, don't have a desktop wallet application.
16:48:15
intr:unredacted.org:
wild
20:10:53
kiersten5821:matrix.org:
why is my node blocking random ips
20:12:04
selsta:
how many does it block?
20:12:21
selsta:
if it starts to block everyone it's often a database issue
20:12:25
selsta:
otherwise it depends
21:41:18
jpk68:
How come the URI spec is on the wiki but not the docs site?
22:02:19
selsta:
jpk68: https://github.com/monero-project/monero/blob/master/docs/URI_SCHEME.md is the correct document
22:02:26
selsta:
the wiki should have been disabled not sure why it's not
22:04:01
jpk68:
Thanks
22:06:53
kiersten5821:matrix.org:
once every few minutes > <selsta> how many does it block?
22:07:33
selsta:
mainnet or testnet? also does it still sync?
22:15:19
ofrnxmr:
Kiersten doesnt use banlists, so it could very well just be connecting to trash
22:15:37
ofrnxmr:
Id like to see the output of bans
22:24:19
plowsof:
need search engines to catch up as https://github.com/monero-project/monero/wiki/URI-Formatting is the top result still (which now redirects to the repo)
22:28:43
DataHoarder:
it may block them due to misbehavior or wrong data