00:40:30
redsh4de:matrix.org:
page update - tried simplifying the terminology to not be as intimidating, and added a indirect link from exchanges to the downloads page
00:40:38
redsh4de:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/tPaCKOvyRwyoeNaIxUqAMslW.png (image.png)
00:41:59
redsh4de:matrix.org:
When you click on the community downloads link from this paragraph in the exchanges page, it will highlight all of the wallets that have a "built-in exchange" tag
00:42:01
redsh4de:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/nEHDijCmzGOOyvzfjlagxFMI.png (image.png)
00:42:37
redsh4de:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/ZGwvNlfcpdEwXBpxKYMkgOUG.png (image.png)
00:43:17
redsh4de:matrix.org:
that'll happen only from that paragraph in the exchange page, opens in a new tab
00:43:17
redsh4de:matrix.org:
p cool mechanic to have
00:44:33
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
In general, the omd descriptions were better > <@redsh4de:matrix.org> page update - tried simplifying the terminology to not be as intimidating, and added a indirect link from exchanges to the downloads page
00:44:44
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Example: basicswaps description is now incorrect
00:45:30
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Dumbing down the descriptions is in good faith, but is misleading
00:46:29
redsh4de:matrix.org:
How would u phrase it so its still dumbed down?
00:46:36
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Like basicswaps "from your wallet, No central account"
00:46:36
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
All dexes havs no central account.
00:46:36
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
All dexes have wallets
00:46:36
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
basicswap doesnt allow you to swap from an external wallet
00:48:07
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
The old description of
00:48:07
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
"a decentralized and trustless atomic swap exchange etc etc" made the most sense
00:50:33
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
And eigenwallet new description makes it sound like its a wallet with atomic swaps built in, when its always been a btc-xmr atomic swap service, that has a wallet built in
00:51:15
redsh4de:matrix.org:
Eigenwallet do market themselves as a wallet now
00:51:16
redsh4de:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/EifXhrgFApFBpvGzETrpSZMz.png (image.png)
00:51:20
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
(the atomic swaps arent an after thought, its the main attraction and has been for years. Just recently the name changed)
00:51:42
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
@redsh4de:matrix.org: They were called unstoppableswap for like 4years. Name changed like 3 months ago
00:52:54
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
M point is, US / eigen had like 30btc worth of liqudity. Its THE most liquid atomic swap service for monero
00:53:08
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
And really, nobody (yet) uses it as a wallet
00:56:55
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Basicswap and retoswap also have built in wallets, but eigenwallet moved away from monero-wallet-rpc and coded up a wallet2 rust version and made the ui more wallet-like.
00:56:55
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
If even describe it as
00:56:55
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
"A highly liquid platform to atomic swaps btc into xmr". Remember, this is exchanges page. Ppl arent looking for cake wallet
00:57:50
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
example. You could liat cake wallet like "a wallet that aggregates various swap providers".. this is what it sounds like to refer to eigenwallet as such
00:58:30
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Eigen isnt just some wallet that has ability to swap coins, its the premier btc->xmr atomic swap playform
01:01:32
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
eigen "monero wallet app with built in btc->xmr swaps"
01:01:32
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
cake "monero wallet app with built in crypto->xmr swaps"
01:01:32
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
see how this doesnt make sense? Eigen is in a whole different category than just a wallet that has built in swaps
01:06:13
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
I also don't like the change from "decentralized exchanges and atomic swaps" to "peer to peer exchanges"
01:08:02
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Even "Decentralized and peer-to-peer exchanges" might be better. The word decentralized should remain.
07:53:53
redsh4de:matrix.org:
True, makes sense to have a different description based on the page context that it is in > <@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Basicswap and retoswap also have built in wallets, but eigenwallet moved away from monero-wallet-rpc and coded up a wallet2 rust version and made the ui more wallet-like.
08:11:53
redsh4de:matrix.org:
@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: I'd keep "Decentralized Exchanges" as the title then, and then expand a bit on what type each exchange is in it's description
11:39:18
basses:matrix.org:
a lot of visual distractions > <@redsh4de:matrix.org> https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/ZGwvNlfcpdEwXBpxKYMkgOUG.png (image.png)
11:40:51
redsh4de:matrix.org:
what would you suggest
11:45:19
redsh4de:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/lfRdauFIVdthTORptQzJhghT.png (image.png)
11:48:04
redsh4de:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/MzyFeMtlopgIsITjolKBVZUb.png (image.png)
11:54:46
basses:matrix.org:
@redsh4de:matrix.org: this, is the reason for being highlighted that some users might find it concerning for privacy?
11:55:41
basses:matrix.org:
I haven't kept up with chat after the image diego posted... same thing
12:24:30
redsh4de:matrix.org:
here, it contextually highlights the relevant items when navigating from the exchanges page > <@redsh4de:matrix.org> When you click on the community downloads link from this paragraph in the exchanges page, it will highlight all of the wallets that have a "built-in exchange" tag
12:25:08
redsh4de:matrix.org:
and only from that specific paragraph link - won't be higlighted by default
12:30:43
redsh4de:matrix.org:
idea is as such: User goes to exchanges, wants to find the easiest way to swap into Monero.
12:30:43
redsh4de:matrix.org:
Under the swap aggregators section, there is a paragraph that some Monero wallets also contain built-in swap functionality.
12:30:43
redsh4de:matrix.org:
User clicks on the hyperlink that links to the community downloads page, which contains a target attribute that highlights the specific wallets the exchanges page was talking about - i.e. all wallets with the "Built-in exchange" tag
12:31:21
redsh4de:matrix.org:
example of the paragraph here > <@redsh4de:matrix.org> https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/nEHDijCmzGOOyvzfjlagxFMI.png (image.png)
12:31:33
basses:matrix.org:
then I guess this makes more sense? > <@redsh4de:matrix.org> https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/MzyFeMtlopgIsITjolKBVZUb.png (image.png)
12:33:28
basses:matrix.org:
bruh > <@diego:cypherstack.com> https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/cypherstack.com/hJbrSeumGlpHLkeclitZluRE.png (image.png)
12:34:19
basses:matrix.org:
still sexualized
12:34:47
basses:matrix.org:
also her face looks different in each position
12:35:44
redsh4de:matrix.org:
Yeah prob going with that, it will also scroll down to the first matching item on mobile > <@basses:matrix.org> then I guess this makes more sense?
12:36:35
redsh4de:matrix.org:
@basses:matrix.org: What changes would make it more acceptable?
12:40:00
basses:matrix.org:
@redsh4de:matrix.org: I hoped it was a different character as it makes more sense. If I no options other than to improve this character, I would made her flat and more 'done' like the first one on the right, the other two looks rough copy of it.
12:41:29
redsh4de:matrix.org:
Yea its def a draft still
12:55:26
basses:matrix.org:
what is logic here? > <@ofrnxmr> Personally, it hurts my brain when things arent sorted logically
12:56:49
basses:matrix.org:
this can be ddosed? unless you can shuffle order without js and without being served randomised output from server for each request > <@redsh4de:matrix.org> thats doable too :D
12:57:42
basses:matrix.org:
see https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/are-privacy-guides-recommendations-ordered/16912/4
13:11:22
basses:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/YOZEsdybGfxWfygmTuqshjXN.png (clipboard.png)
13:12:08
basses:matrix.org:
the split button needs a bit more space so it is noticeable, also it should be empty space no a colored line
13:19:34
redsh4de:matrix.org:
Wont be possible to ddos, as the randomization would be done only on compile on the website - as its static > <@basses:matrix.org> this can be ddosed? unless you can shuffle order without js and without being served randomised output from server for each request
13:23:34
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
abc...xyz > <@basses:matrix.org> what is logic here?
13:23:45
basses:matrix.org:
alphabetical
14:55:33
diego:cypherstack.com:
What? How? > <@basses:matrix.org> still sexualized
14:57:19
diego:cypherstack.com:
The other two aren't finished yes. They're being painted. But I wanted to show the art first.
15:07:09
basses:matrix.org:
@diego:cypherstack.com: I said in the same paragraph
15:17:04
diego:cypherstack.com:
Yeah I scrolled down a bit and saw.
15:17:17
diego:cypherstack.com:
Bruh, Imma be blunt, you kinda wack
15:19:16
basses:matrix.org:
sure.. im the one that is weird lmao
15:19:56
plowsof:
it's haram
15:20:15
basses:matrix.org:
💯
15:24:35
ofrnxmr:
rando can send a pic thats acceptable for religious locales
15:26:06
diego:cypherstack.com:
@basses:matrix.org: I don't think anyone else here cares? So yes?
15:27:20
basses:matrix.org:
@diego:cypherstack.com: you mean care about the image or what blunt sir?/
15:28:07
ofrnxmr:
Yes, nobody cares about the imae
15:28:26
ofrnxmr:
I identify as "anyone else"
15:29:40
basses:matrix.org:
exactly, because you guys think about yourselves and not million visitors monero site gets yearly. You are not designing the monero website for you to visit only.
15:30:22
redsh4de:matrix.org:
i mean some islamic schools forbid all kinds of illustrations of living beings, animals and humans (something about imitating Gods creation, dont remember rn)
15:30:43
redsh4de:matrix.org:
to play it safe, we can go with the option of not rendering the side image at all for select locales
15:31:13
redsh4de:matrix.org:
i think the current one works well imo
15:31:27
diego:cypherstack.com:
@basses:matrix.org: Didn't we say we can put different image for different locale?
15:31:40
redsh4de:matrix.org:
Or that ^
15:31:54
ofrnxmr:
This isnt an islamic website > <@redsh4de:matrix.org> i mean some islamic schools forbid all kinds of illustrations of living beings, animals and humans (something about imitating Gods creation, dont remember rn)
15:32:06
ofrnxmr:
So honestly idgaf what any religion forbids
15:32:10
ofrnxmr:
Monero isnt religious
15:32:58
ofrnxmr:
Even if i was a muslim or christian etc, monero doesnt conform to my beliefs (and shouldnt)
15:33:04
ofrnxmr:
Thats what beldex is for
15:34:30
ofrnxmr:
@basses:matrix.org: must be talking about yourself, cuz u want monero website to fit your world view
15:42:16
redsh4de:matrix.org:
yh, just for the sake of the argument > <@ofrnxmr> This isnt an islamic website
15:45:41
redsh4de:matrix.org:
i think going all the way to fully accomodate every single possible culture is a slippery slope, but finding some middle ground is not unreasonable
15:45:42
redsh4de:matrix.org:
the latest image diego sent works quite well as that imo
15:47:29
ofrnxmr:
@redsh4de:matrix.org: its haram
15:48:33
ofrnxmr:
@redsh4de:matrix.org: Its not a slippery slope, its absolutely retarded.
15:49:12
ofrnxmr:
There's no middle ground, as monero isnt a religious. Its simply about being professional, not about complying with any religion
15:51:46
ofrnxmr:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/monero.social/tTrmjNWoYlUmIRwNLgHCScxX.jpg (17654683528944496133074892730441.jpg)
15:51:50
redsh4de:matrix.org:
well tbh if the issue with the 2nd image is just that the girl has breasts (as do all) i think thats a non-issue globally speaking
15:51:56
ofrnxmr:
@ofrnxmr: Is this also sexualized?
15:52:36
ofrnxmr:
@redsh4de:matrix.org: Omg, women have breasts. Chop em off, asap. Get her a top surgery
15:52:44
redsh4de:matrix.org:
also @diego:cypherstack.com while i have u here, any design input from your side on my exchange page mockup?
16:21:06
diego:cypherstack.com:
The design is fine, but not really scalable if Monero gets a bunch more exchanges. That said, we can cross that bridge if we ever come to it with a redesign (we're nowhere close and won't be for a long time)
16:38:58
ofrnxmr:
@diego:cypherstack.com: tbf, we dont list every exchange (note mexc and gate are missing)
19:51:01
321bob321:
So we don't get sued when they block exiting
21:35:10
diego:cypherstack.com:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/cypherstack.com/gSMiAJZIvxluAsOgfUPFdOGT.png (image.png)
21:35:14
diego:cypherstack.com:
finished illustration?
21:40:31
redsh4de:matrix.org:
lgtm, what about the paintery style u mentioned to make it more analog looking?
21:49:09
redsh4de:matrix.org:
@diego:cypherstack.com: what kind of layout would be more scalable? id want to future-proof the new site from the get go
21:55:07
redsh4de:matrix.org:
@diego:cypherstack.com: got a version with transparency?
21:55:22
diego:cypherstack.com:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/cypherstack.com/VbLdNNfoIzvRPkGiAOjwYALj.png (image.png)
21:55:39
diego:cypherstack.com:
oh that's not the transparent version :P
21:55:46
diego:cypherstack.com:
that's with some screen glow
21:55:50
diego:cypherstack.com:
getting transparent version
21:56:03
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
:P i still don't like the ledger & trezor. Rest LGTM > <@diego:cypherstack.com> finished illustration?
21:56:07
diego:cypherstack.com:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/cypherstack.com/xPPSDDOJNLOLNNKKTtuXkKFY.png (image.png)
21:56:28
diego:cypherstack.com:
@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: yes, the ancillary stuff is secondary and will be worked on after human
22:32:24
redsh4de:matrix.org:
Deployed image on preview: https://beta.monerodevs.org
22:32:24
redsh4de:matrix.org:
Exchanges page: https://beta.monerodevs.org/get-started/exchanges/