01:50:43
root:kimapr.net:
@lza_menace: given my own experiences with matrix, it sounds completely possible
02:02:36
tealshard:matrix.org:
Sup niggas
02:02:56
tealshard:matrix.org:
Can I use XMR multisig without running my own mode?
02:03:17
tealshard:matrix.org:
I wanna buy drugs tonight but the blockchain is taking ages to download
02:09:02
rottenwheel:unredacted.org:
@tealshard:matrix.org: who told you there's XMR multisig in the first place? 🤔
02:10:28
tealshard:matrix.org:
@rottenwheel:unredacted.org: Darknet markets were the first mention I saw of it
02:10:52
tealshard:matrix.org:
But I would've figured that monero would have it anyway because Bitcoin does too
02:17:09
root:kimapr.net:
you can use xmr multisig without your own node, you just need to use monero-wallet-cli and specify a remote node manually
02:17:47
root:kimapr.net:
or at least i assume so i dunno why you wouldn't be able to use multisig that way
02:24:41
gan:skhron.org:
@root:kimapr.net: You're completely free to ask Matthew with this screenshot and see his reaction to determine whether if it's true 🧌
02:26:26
tealshard:matrix.org:
A remote node will aggregate whatever UTXOs belong using my viewkey so I have a list of spendable outputs right?
02:33:08
rottenwheel:unredacted.org:
@tealshard:matrix.org: 🤔
02:33:29
rottenwheel:unredacted.org:
"Alexa, does Monero have multisig in 2025?"
02:33:57
rottenwheel:unredacted.org:
Good luck with all that. https://web.getmonero.org/resources/user-guides/multisig-messaging-system.html
02:34:29
rottenwheel:unredacted.org:
@tealshard:matrix.org: What about you stop larping and just use one of the popular wallets to send funds to your dnm of choice so you can restock on your xanax bars?
02:40:48
tealshard:matrix.org:
@rottenwheel:unredacted.org: Cause multisig sounds cool and I'm a crypto nerd and wanna give it a try
02:41:12
rottenwheel:unredacted.org:
@tealshard:matrix.org: Awesome, good deal. Have fun with all that. 🫡
02:41:36
rottenwheel:unredacted.org:
@rottenwheel:unredacted.org: Good luck going through all that then. ^_^
02:41:54
tealshard:matrix.org:
Bruh it's probably not that hard
02:49:52
tealshard:matrix.org:
@rottenwheel:unredacted.org: Oh plus if the market exit scams I can get my speed money back
02:50:13
rottenwheel:unredacted.org:
@tealshard:matrix.org: Ah, totes, how could I have not thought about that...
02:50:36
rottenwheel:unredacted.org:
When market goes belly up, you'll own more than just the one key in the obvious 1/2 multisig setup...
02:53:59
tealshard:matrix.org:
I can reach out to the vendor and if they're nice they'll refund me
02:54:16
tealshard:matrix.org:
If they're greedy I could probably negotiate getting half back
02:58:04
tealshard:matrix.org:
Also if the market exit scams I would rather no one get the escrow than the market getting rewarded for stealing
09:48:55
Cindy:
i wonder why there aren't many services using integrated payment addresses
09:49:12
Cindy:
instead they use subaddresses (with a counter they have to keep track of)
11:30:43
plowsof:
with sub addresses you can handle utxo's conveniently - spending from a subaddress allows you to only use outputs belonging to that subaddr (stressnet spammers do this). integrated addresses are all deposited to the same base address. CEX's may find subaddr better to comply with some generic crypto utxo anti-mixer laws and/or to keep the wallet
11:30:43
plowsof:
functional - think snet spammer - spend specific outputs within on sub addr to churn
13:04:45
xmrsoul:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/GrDAocEEonmodJQFjwiKbFoW.jpeg (ima_1642568.jpeg)
13:04:59
xmrsoul:matrix.org:
anyone seen this?
13:08:51
datahoarder:
so not decentralized. distributed
13:09:19
datahoarder:
it's still centralized (single multisig, single entity) but they have distributed signing.
13:14:16
monerobull:matrix.org:
@xmrsoul:matrix.org: PSA: these guys are very likely scammers
13:15:28
monerobull:matrix.org:
potentially the same people that are running the crow/malgo/goblin swap campaign
13:24:17
Cindy_:
you can't make a wrapped token (with an incompatible chain) that's decentralized
13:24:57
Cindy_:
someone HAS to hold the bag (the underlying supply behind the wrapped token)
13:25:31
Cindy_:
datahoarder: what's the point of multisig when you're in control of all parties
13:25:35
monerobull:matrix.org:
yeah and these guys will very likely run away with it
13:26:04
monerobull:matrix.org:
@monerobull:matrix.org: it doesnt even look like their goal is to make money
13:26:16
monerobull:matrix.org:
instead its targeted at creating the most damage to monero possible
13:26:21
DataHoarder:
Same entity but could be distributed to different key holders
13:26:33
DataHoarder:
Protects the entity itself more than you
13:26:51
DataHoarder:
Say single rogue admin
13:27:22
monerobull:matrix.org:
do not give these guys any credibility :P
13:27:29
Cindy_:
checking the twitter account, they don't say who they are
13:27:35
Cindy_:
or whether they even have more than one person behind it
13:28:01
monerobull:matrix.org:
check the blockchain and you will find they've done this before ;)
13:28:19
Cindy_:
sure :P
13:28:36
plowsof:matrix.org:
14th november xmrsoul asks soulxmr about zerofi and will dive deeper into it
13:28:36
plowsof:matrix.org:
https://libera.monerologs.net/monero/20251114#c611255
13:28:36
plowsof:matrix.org:
https://libera.monerologs.net/monero/20251114#c611358
13:28:42
monerobull:matrix.org:
they have direct exposure to phishing wallets
13:28:44
Cindy_:
you have to trust the people behind the wrapped tokens, and if they end up stealing all your XMR
13:28:53
monerobull:matrix.org:
they will
13:29:41
Cindy_:
plowsof: why are they this desperate to advertise
13:29:53
plowsof:matrix.org:
10th december plowsof is asked for his opinion on the "most important project" https://libera.monerologs.net/monero/20251210#c624677
13:29:56
Cindy_:
are they looking for people dumb enough to take the bait?
13:31:18
Cindy_:
this makes it pretty suspicious
13:31:50
Cindy_:
also their twitter account "Joined October 2025"
13:32:00
Cindy_:
and talks exclusively about zXMR
13:33:08
monerobull:matrix.org:
its obviously a scam guys
13:33:44
Cindy_:
no shit sherlock
13:34:22
plowsof:matrix.org:
banning for shilling scam more than once per week?
13:35:15
Cindy_:
https://xcancel.com/OfficialZeroFi/status/1994607510083572070
13:35:29
Cindy_:
i like how many buzzwords this post has
13:36:46
monerobull:matrix.org:
> rate limited RPC, slow connections, etc.
13:36:50
monerobull:matrix.org:
they dont even run their own nodes lmfao
13:37:29
Cindy_:
don't tell me all they're running are the wallet RPC nodes
13:38:03
plowsof:
they should team up with this scam swapper https://moneros.exchange/exchange.php?mixID=ORD-C4C1F941&amount=999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999
13:38:03
plowsof:
999999999999999999999999999999999&from=USDT-TRC20&to=XMR&wallet=this+is+a+scam
13:38:22
Cindy_:
what the absolute fuck is that URL
13:38:44
plowsof:
sorry lol
13:39:43
Cindy_:
i love when i open up view source
13:39:49
Cindy_:
i see JS comments written in russian
13:39:51
monerobull:matrix.org:
they also got monero.black, a fake review site to push their scam services
13:40:26
monerobull:matrix.org:
LMFAO
13:40:28
monerobull:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/lXaTqtToGajoYGHTVWHBxeSk.png (image.png)
13:40:35
monerobull:matrix.org:
HAHAHAHA
13:40:44
monerobull:matrix.org:
this is fucking hilarious
13:41:01
plowsof:
yep
13:41:55
plowsof:
similar one i seen "someone recovered billions from changelly using <scamservice ,com>" its common
13:42:14
monerobull:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/URvpwielZAFZwgWyefRYIjyi.png (image.png)
13:42:20
monerobull:matrix.org:
lol at the goblinswap ref link
13:43:17
monerobull:matrix.org:
are they doing this to track the effectiveness of their fake news site? is this a third party scammer? crypto is never boring haha
13:43:53
Cindy_:
all of this blogposts look AI-generated
13:43:59
Cindy_:
including the mining one
13:44:57
monerobull:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/QZUCHELetIXaKwUWLzMkzbiX.png (image.png)
13:45:06
monerobull:matrix.org:
they put up a fake onion for retoswap
13:45:38
monerobull:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/EMLeFfjhLFbaYguFJzalowbX.png (image.png)
13:45:47
monerobull:matrix.org:
is it ai generated as well? lmao
13:45:58
Cindy_:
am i on drugs rn or am i realizing that like
13:46:02
Cindy_:
all the posts end with "final thoughts"
13:46:33
monerobull:matrix.org:
the one for trocador is fake as well
13:46:41
Cindy_:
the goblinswap post doesn't look AI-generated
13:46:44
basses:matrix.org:
"requires JS" lmao > <@monerobull:matrix.org> https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/QZUCHELetIXaKwUWLzMkzbiX.png (image.png)
13:46:55
Cindy_:
i mean, two of the goblinswap posts
13:46:56
monerobull:matrix.org:
they also made a fake subreddit
13:46:59
basses:matrix.org:
ai generated
13:47:03
monerobull:matrix.org:
filled with bot accounts making "normal" comments
13:47:05
Cindy_:
but the rest are like AI generated with "final thoughts"
13:47:18
basses:matrix.org:
basically vibe coded
13:48:13
monerobull:matrix.org:
all of this screams k3wbit lol
13:54:19
Cindy_:
this wrapped token has got to be one of the most dumbest scam i've seen
13:55:13
Cindy_:
i don't know if i should feel bad if they end up rugpulling the supply behind the wrapped token
13:57:53
monerobull:matrix.org:
its natural selection tbh
13:58:18
monerobull:matrix.org:
but unless you really know your shit, it would be hard to tell if its legit or a scam
13:58:24
monerobull:matrix.org:
so newbies could fall for it
13:58:44
Cindy_:
yeah, if you don't know how wrapped tokens work, you could fall for it
13:59:52
Cindy_:
i bet if you try to swap back, it'll be like "sorry, due to issues with our RPC nodes, we could not complete this swap. please try again later"
14:00:03
monerobull:matrix.org:
they made a new fake monero subreddit
14:00:11
Cindy_:
no way
14:01:35
Cindy_:
what's the subreddit
14:05:24
DataHoarder:
It directly preys on the people that want to hold something instead of using it
14:05:54
DataHoarder:
As usual speculation and degen is the target
14:08:11
lza_menace:
wagmi
14:08:43
Cindy_:
DataHoarder: moonboys as always
18:00:57
rottenwheel:unredacted.org:
@lza_menace: y u delete xitter ser?
18:12:41
lza_menace:
@rottenwheel:unredacted.org: got tired of doomscrolling. saw a series of disturbing things and just didn't find any value from having it around overall, mostly people arguing, spam, and porn. my life is better without it.
18:16:29
BlueyHealer:
I got Twitter in 2022 for memes and fandoms, deleted in 2023 after they loginwalled the entire site. so audacionusly awful.
18:16:42
BlueyHealer:
Funny how I deleted Reddit at the very same time.
18:26:39
eddie:oblak.be:
On twitter I only got into "fights" so I stopped logging on to it, an only used it to lurk her and there
18:27:27
BlueyHealer:
tbh I never had such an experience.
18:27:51
Cindy_:
twitter has become a cesspool of crypto and AI
18:28:07
eddie:oblak.be:
That just depends what you are using it for
18:28:12
eddie:oblak.be:
It's a filter bubble
18:28:50
eddie:oblak.be:
Sometimes I use nitter to follow a link someelse posts, but for everything else I am good bantering a bit in matrix rooms, I guess
18:30:23
BlueyHealer:
I use nitter now too. Crazy how it's basically required now.
18:35:56
pcre:
Reddit has turned into a woke Bolshevik shithole.
18:36:26
lza_menace:
agree
18:36:50
lza_menace:
the major online institutions have shifted outwards towards the extremes
18:37:08
Cindy_:
i always felt like reddit was full of powertripping mods
18:37:23
lza_menace:
it was
18:37:37
eddie:oblak.be:
I thought Reddit was for incells
18:38:11
pcre:
A long time ago.
18:38:15
eddie:oblak.be:
And wrong computer advice
18:39:51
Cindy_:
i fucking hate shadowbanning in online platforms
18:39:58
Cindy_:
this applies to reddit, twitter, and even github
18:42:34
pcre:
It's a shame about GitHub. In five years' time, it will probably no longer be usable due to some policy or other.
18:42:55
Cindy_:
shadowbanning in github happens a lot more than you think
18:43:13
BlueyHealer:
I got shadowbanned on Reddit. I didn't even post anything that usually triggers that.
18:43:18
Cindy_:
and they're pretty secretive about it
18:44:39
BlueyHealer:
In five years' time, it will probably no longer be usable due to some policy or other <- I haven't noticed any usability-related policies, but I am concerned about them probably training AI on user submissions.
18:44:53
Cindy_:
even when you ask people about it, they're like "oh, that's what happens when your profile is set to private, dumbass"
18:44:59
Cindy_:
but my profile isn't set to private..
18:45:12
eddie:oblak.be:
oh gee corporations being asshole, surprise
18:46:27
pcre:
Shadow banning on GitHub!? That's news to me. What effect does that have?
18:46:53
Cindy_:
pcre: your repos, issues, pull requests, and user profile are visible to you when you're logged in
18:46:57
Cindy_:
but when you're not logged in, it's all 404
18:47:01
Cindy_:
even issues or PRs on other repos
18:47:09
Cindy_:
they don't even show up
18:47:10
eddie:oblak.be:
BlueyHealer: luckily there's a self-hosted federated alternative for about each platform. They mostly lack the network effect, but as long as people are obedient to the github/youtube/reddit policies that will never change
18:47:31
pcre:
okay.
18:47:39
eddie:oblak.be:
Cindy_: are you sure you didn't set "visibility" to private 🤣 it's a feature not a ban
18:47:49
Cindy_:
bruh
18:47:54
eddie:oblak.be:
joking
18:48:03
Cindy_:
lol
18:48:46
Cindy_:
the annoying part is how arbitrary it is
18:48:56
Cindy_:
they could shadowban you for any reason, and you have to contact support to figure out why
18:49:18
Cindy_:
it's either, they didn't like your email address or they think you live in a sanctioned place
18:49:18
Cindy_:
or whatever bullshit reason
18:49:22
eddie:oblak.be:
yeah, I repeat, private corporation, can do what they want
18:49:34
eddie:oblak.be:
it's like a club with a bouncer. And your shoes are not white enough
18:50:00
eddie:oblak.be:
Maybe next time bring a girl, if you want to get in
18:50:40
BlueyHealer:
eddie, with git the network effect at least seems less noticeable. I see non-Github git repos pretty often in the apps I use.
18:51:53
eddie:oblak.be:
of course, there are many reasons to not use github
18:52:00
BlueyHealer:
<eddie:oblak.be> Maybe next time bring a girl, if you want to get in <- That could get you confused for a lesbian
18:52:08
BlueyHealer:
XD
18:52:13
eddie:oblak.be:
corporations didn't really use github until microsoft bought it
18:52:51
BlueyHealer:
eddie, I do have an account, but if I were to develop, I'd pick somewhere else to publish. Preferrably selfhosted because I know people who set an instance up and it's manageable.
18:52:57
Cindy_:
eddie: that is, if you're lucky that they respond to your tickets
18:53:05
pcre:
I've had https://radicle.xyz/ on my radar for quite some time. It could be an alternative.
18:53:20
Cindy_:
:P
18:53:25
eddie:oblak.be:
what I meant essentially is that I hear a lot of time people saying "i hate to use platform XYZ, but I have to use it because everyone else does" > <BlueyHealer> eddie, with git the network effect at least seems less noticeable. I see non-Github git repos pretty often in the apps I use.
18:53:28
Cindy_:
sometimes they even ghost your shadowban ticket, and leave you hanging forever
18:53:42
BlueyHealer:
What are the "many reasons" for you? For me it's the concern that the owners are very invested in the AI games and this makes me very suspicious that they are not letting this treasure trove of code go to waste.
18:54:03
Cindy_:
so yeah, they can do whatever they want
18:54:07
eddie:oblak.be:
you gotta pay for it, lol. I just recently had a very good experience with github enterprise support > <Cindy_> eddie: that is, if you're lucky that they respond to your tickets
18:54:33
BlueyHealer:
eddie, my point is that with social media at least it's waaay more pronounced than with Git.
18:55:08
eddie:oblak.be:
BlueyHealer: before github had the feature to make repo's private, companies would flock to bitbucket and gitlab for that
18:55:18
eddie:oblak.be:
but bitbucket is dead now afaik
18:55:32
Cindy_:
>GitHub has the right to suspend or terminate your access to all or any part of the Website at any time, with or without cause, with or without notice, effective immediately. GitHub reserves the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason at any time.
18:56:15
Cindy_:
very legal :P
18:57:42
Cindy_:
if github hears you cough the wrong way, they'll banish you to the shadow realm without any hesitation
18:57:48
Cindy_:
and they won't tell you why
18:58:07
eddie:oblak.be:
No business is obligated to provide services to anyone
18:58:23
BlueyHealer:
OOH I remember now, my uni used to use it before switching for something independent. Onenon-crucial but important feature was locked behind a paywall.
18:58:45
BlueyHealer:
Cindy_, what are the examples of the "wrong way"?
18:59:17
eddie:oblak.be:
There was this debacle with youtube-dl
18:59:33
Cindy_:
eddie: "with or without notice" may be a violation of EU's DMA
18:59:56
eddie:oblak.be:
Cindy_: yeah I am not a lawyer so I don't know
19:00:13
Cindy_:
BlueyHealer: literally anything ranging from being in a sanctioned country, someone from your IP range doing bad stuff on the internet, etc. etc.
19:00:13
Cindy_:
it's pretty board
19:00:17
eddie:oblak.be:
I do know if you want to enforce that you will have to spend big bucks on laywers to prove them wrong
19:00:17
BlueyHealer:
eddie, oh, so Github was involved? i'll look it up.
19:00:19
pcre:
Git itself is already very decentralised. GitHub simply offers convenience.
19:00:34
BlueyHealer:
My guess was "making tools evading enshittification".
19:00:55
eddie:oblak.be:
BlueyHealer: Yeah they removed their repo's iirc
19:01:08
BlueyHealer:
Cindy_, I think my location may have been the reason for Reddit shadowban. That or the custom email domain (or the specific TLD).
19:01:57
Cindy_:
i got shadowbanned from github for using an obscure email domain
19:02:48
eddie:oblak.be:
what, lol
19:02:50
eddie:oblak.be:
that's bad, i agree tehre
19:02:52
Cindy_:
i didn't realize it until i had cookies auto-wipe and realized that my user profile was inaccessible
19:02:56
pcre:
They will also be the first to make a digital ID mandatory.
19:02:57
Cindy_:
when i was logged out
19:03:07
Cindy_:
but when i logged back in (expecting a ban notice or something)
19:03:10
Cindy_:
it showed my user profile again
19:03:12
BlueyHealer:
To be fair, it was a TLD with a bad reputation, I just had no idea at that moment. I'll be more careful next time, but I am prepared for some discrimination based on the custom domain.
19:03:24
eddie:oblak.be:
Well, Github == Microsoft nowadays, what did you expect
19:03:47
BlueyHealer:
pcre, wouldn't surprise me one bit. I am surprised they don't already require at least a phone number...
19:04:08
pcre:
GitHub was lost when Microsoft bought it. It was only a matter of time.
19:04:18
Cindy_:
github shadowbans are super annoying
19:04:24
Cindy_:
i wouldn't be surprised if they like
19:04:29
Cindy_:
merged github with M$ accounts
19:04:38
Cindy_:
like they did with minecraft
19:04:49
BlueyHealer:
They literally did this with Minecraft, that would be very expected for them!
19:05:00
BlueyHealer:
oh nvm you beat me to it lol. Wish I could type this fast.
19:05:16
Cindy_:
see how aggressively they're pushing M$ accounts :P
19:07:35
pcre:
I did make a prediction, that the Monero Project will move away from github to radicle in the year 2020. I even wrote it on the Monero blockchain as proof.
19:08:46
Cindy_:
2020 is 5 years ago
19:09:08
pcre:
Thats when i predicted it.
19:09:46
Cindy_:
predicted?
19:09:50
Cindy_:
but they're still using github
19:10:27
pcre:
yes. prediction didn't come true yet
19:11:06
eddie:oblak.be:
they also use gitlab, the reason for using gitlab (as was told me) is to profit from the free build time
19:11:14
eddie:oblak.be:
which makes sense to me
19:11:32
pcre:
fair enough. The prediction might fail
19:16:49
BlueyHealer:
Better selfhost gitlab tho
19:21:40
pcre:
Ahh, i found it: my old documentation: https://github.com/nonie-sys/monero-timestamp How to make a timestamp Proof of existence on Monero Blockchain.
19:25:29
Cindy_:
pcre: "With Bitcoin the hash is stored on the blockchain itself. Monero wont allow this"
19:25:34
Cindy_:
actually it does
19:25:36
Cindy_:
you can use tx_extra
19:25:52
Cindy_:
provided you modify monerod yourself
19:25:58
pcre:
Ah ok, did not know
19:26:18
Cindy_:
tx_extra has a size limit, i don't know how much exactly
19:26:23
Cindy_:
i think it was 1KB
19:26:44
Cindy_:
go over that, your transaction won't get validated or mined
19:27:10
pcre:
1KB is a lot.
19:28:39
pcre:
I think i made another mistake. One piconero is 10^12 not 2^12, isn't it?
19:28:47
Cindy_:
well it used to be unlimited
19:29:00
Cindy_:
but someone uploaded a 126KB PDF file to the blockchain abusing tx_extra
19:29:08
Cindy_:
so they did this: https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/8733
19:29:56
pcre:
cool
19:30:37
lza_menace:
remember the mordinals? lol
19:30:42
lza_menace:
had to lock that down
19:30:58
321bob321:
Thanks mbll
19:31:04
Cindy_:
1060 bytes is good enough for timestamping
19:31:15
pcre:
100%
19:33:50
Cindy_:
then you wouldn't even need to make a brand new wallet :P
19:34:13
Cindy_:
you could send yourself some monero, set the tx_extra to the hash of the document (probably keyed/encrypted in some way for it to not be observed or searched up easily)
19:34:35
pcre:
XD -true. Hey, you have a choice. Both methods work.
19:34:38
Cindy_:
you'd just lose some tiny amount of money to the fee
19:34:42
Cindy_:
true :P
19:45:27
moomoo777:
Yo, after learning about spy nodes, I spun up a monero node on a vps, running over tor. Now I wanna mine with that same machine using p2pool. I'm not super familiar with the p2pool node ecosystem. Can I connect to my own monero node via tor liek when I've got a wallet pointed at my node
19:45:32
moomoo777:
?
19:47:38
sech1:
It's best to run p2pool node at the same vps
19:47:54
sech1:
but yes, you can connect to monerod via tor
19:48:10
sech1:
https://github.com/SChernykh/p2pool/blob/master/docs/TOR.MD
19:48:46
sech1:
if you provide the socks5 proxy, p2pool can connect to .onion domains
19:49:11
moomoo777:
Gotcha, reading up on some docs rn. I am planning to run p2pool on the same vps
19:51:07
eddie:oblak.be:
if you're mining on a vps don't expect to much of it
19:52:13
321bob321:
Shared CPU
19:53:02
moomoo777:
I may have to double check how my monero node is configured, but the way I have it, the restricted rpc connects to 18089 over tor while the p2p is on a nondefault port, but I think I need to explictly write the nondefault port I used 18084. On that note, does it even matter that I am running it on a nondefault port? I was just told to do this in a guide.
19:53:07
moomoo777:
I
19:53:31
moomoo777:
I'm not expecting to make money through the mining, just contribute hash and availability as a p2pool node I guess
19:53:41
pcre:
It is also very likely that the hosting provider will shut you down. There is bound to be something in the terms and conditions that prevents mining on a VPS.
19:54:58
moomoo777:
hmm that makes sense. well at least I want to get the pool node up and running. God willing in the future I can do some mining on my own (better) hardware and I know I've got my nodes running
19:55:03
eddie:oblak.be:
just don't max out the cpu and it should be fine
19:55:25
eddie:oblak.be:
but it's probably better imho to buy your own machines to mine than renting
19:56:00
eddie:oblak.be:
but the vps route is a good way to learn the basics, and improve from there
19:58:48
moomoo777:
thanks for the advice
20:01:08
pcre:
You could try mining under the radar. Solo mining. Generate alternating load.
20:03:30
pcre:
1 thread, max for 1 min, back to 1 thread.
20:05:49
pcre:
Normally, you share the Server with many people who simply run a mail server. Most of them do not require a lot od CPU or a lot of RAM. It is fair use policy.
20:08:21
Cindy_:
moomoo777: ask your hosting provider if they're fine with it
20:08:38
Cindy_:
they're probably not gonna be fine with mining if it's on a VPS
20:08:50
Cindy_:
but if it's dedicated, you got better chances
20:11:26
moomoo777:
back the daemon though: I need a little clarification on whats going on with the p2p port. So, I have an alternate port specified for the Tor p2p, but I have no clearnet p2p, I believe. I am also curious what the ZMQ is
20:12:11
moomoo777:
I'm probably not gonna mine on this vps btw. Although, I tried mining with the daemon real quick to see the hashrate: 160 H/s
20:14:08
pcre:
wow. my raspberry pi ist stronger
20:14:17
sech1:
if you run p2pool and monerod on the same server, you don't need to specify host, rpc-port and zmq-port in p2pool's command line
20:14:50
sech1:
ZMQ is required by p2pool
20:15:01
sech1:
read https://p2pool.io/mini/#help
20:16:07
sech1:
mining on VPS is not recommended, but running Monero and P2Pool nodes and connecting to P2Pool stratum from other machines should be fine
20:17:19
Cindy_:
moomoo777: i wouldn't be surprised if they're throttling your CPU usage
20:32:51
derjohn:matrix.org:
Who runs the getmonero gitlib server ? It uses an invalid HELO when senduing mails, and therefor they get blocked: Dec 11 20:45:52 xxxx postfix/smtpd[24707]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from static.7.96.63.178.clients.your-server.de[178.63.96.7]: 504 5.5.2 <Ubuntu-1804-bionic-64-minimal>: Helo command rejected: need fully-qualified [... too long, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/kqH1xNEKNlNfZGQ3 ]
20:34:19
eddie:oblak.be:
I reported this before
20:34:48
eddie:oblak.be:
they rather fix your account manually (they did with mine) than fixing the root cause
20:34:57
eddie:oblak.be:
oh well :-)
20:57:45
derjohn:matrix.org:
WUT? They can't wte a HELO in their MTA ? Where did you report ?
21:01:37
eddie:oblak.be:
here
21:01:51
eddie:oblak.be:
a month ago or so
21:07:07
moneromoooo:
I guess I "run" it. I installed it and update it from time to time.
21:07:51
moneromoooo:
Would be nice to pass it on to someone active though.
21:08:28
moneromoooo:
No idea what MTA it's even using :D
21:08:47
moneromoooo:
Oh, postfix. It's in the log line.
21:08:50
rottenwheel:unredacted.org:
@lza_menace: was?
21:14:17
derjohn:matrix.org:
moneromoooo: Nope, mine (receiver) side ist the postfix.
21:15:07
derjohn:matrix.org:
Now I have to allow-list their Ip in out provider-wide postfix main.conf go get my iniitisl verficstion mail through.
21:16:04
derjohn:matrix.org:
As there is no imprint or contact on the mail , I just don't know who's is the right contact. I willing to help out managung the gitlab instance.
21:18:41
moneromoooo:
Oh lol ofc
21:19:19
moneromoooo:
You need to have a history of trustworthiness to maintain this. It comes with write access to gitlab repos.
21:19:35
moneromoooo:
s/lab//
21:22:07
derjohn:matrix.org:
fair ;) But still s/o should make the e-mail work correctly.
21:22:40
derjohn:matrix.org:
And: You can meet me in person to on 39c3 if you happen to be there.
21:23:01
moneromoooo:
I'll be one on all fours with horns.
21:23:40
moneromoooo:
I'll have a look now, but can't promise to fix.
21:24:04
moneromoooo:
I've not touched a MTA config in like 20 years. If not more.
21:24:07
derjohn:matrix.org:
do you run the helm chart variant for gitlab ?
21:24:38
moneromoooo:
No clue what that even is. I just volunteered for the work of install/update IIRC.
21:25:13
moneromoooo:
We run the 'ee' version, if that answqers your question.
21:25:16
derjohn:matrix.org:
helm chart package manger for kubernetes, if the gitlab is running on k8s
21:26:11
moneromoooo:
I'm not going to give details on what virt stuff is being used for now, out of an abundance of caution.
21:29:11
moneromoooo:
Might be fixed now. Unexpectedly quickly if so...
21:46:08
eddie:oblak.be:
If you need some help just ask > <moneromoooo> I've not touched a MTA config in like 20 years. If not more.
21:46:51
eddie:oblak.be:
moneromoooo: Oh I hadn't read that, good!
21:49:49
eddie:oblak.be:
Also, if the mailserver runs on Ubuntu-1804-bionic-64-minimal, it's maybe time to upgrade. It will only get security patches if it's a pro license
21:50:02
eddie:oblak.be:
otherwise maintenance has stopped 2 years ago
21:50:55
eddie:oblak.be:
you would want to upgrade to at least 24.04 , and then you can sit back relax until 2029
21:53:33
moneromoooo:
Ugh. OK.
21:53:57
moneromoooo:
looks for someone to throw the hot potato to
22:01:28
moneromoooo:
I found how to to upgrade ubuntu, I'll get that done if someone with hypervisor access backs it up first (it's in the pipeline somewhere).
22:12:30
derjohn:matrix.org:
I suspect the MTA config was created with ubuntu 18.04 and the ubuntu has been ungraded meanwhile (But the hostname is still in the config)
22:13:04
derjohn:matrix.org:
Dec 11 23:10:44 xxx postfix/smtpd[14341]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from static.7.96.63.178.clients.your-server.de[178.63.96.7]: 504 5.5.2 <Ubuntu-1804-bionic-64-minimal>: Helo command rejected: need fully-qualified hostname; from=mailto:gitlab@repo.getmonero.org to=xxxx proto=ESMTP helo=<Ubuntu-1804-bionic-64-minimal>
22:13:26
derjohn:matrix.org:
still not fixed, I allow-listed it on out servers for now
22:16:35
moneromoooo:
OK :/
23:12:48
lza_menace:
@rottenwheel:unredacted.org: *is