12:24:19
redsh4de:matrix.org:
@diego:cypherstack.com: any new additions to the figma design to expect from you in the coming days? or the opengraph thumbnail images
12:51:42
redsh4de:matrix.org:
something as simple as this for the merchants page?
12:51:51
redsh4de:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/VAtdqlqrfocUbqGgBzJIHZhJ.png (image.png)
12:58:48
redsh4de:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/zteypyvJvipyWlCbNDwIaGnF.png (image.png)
13:31:53
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
i'd add xmrbazaar ans potentially remove cryptwerk
13:32:04
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
I dont remember what the issue with crypt was, let me dbl check
13:34:25
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
And add kycnot.me (https://kycnot.me/?currency-mode=or¤cies=xmr) with monero filter
13:36:04
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/issues/2403
13:36:05
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
not sure why this was closed though
13:37:54
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Maybe meant to be closed as "not planned"
13:38:08
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
(So leave cryptwerk up )
13:39:09
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
I'd also list their onion addresses where applicable (only monerica has one atm)
13:40:32
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: http://67w4f46nfrfigohl4ypgpo7cjnftl57rorha3zmn4xkll5jvmi6mi4qd.onion/ <- monerica
14:15:13
redsh4de:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/fqPIYEKwTryXtqdzGozNJGyj.png (image.png)
14:15:19
redsh4de:matrix.org:
@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
14:18:33
redsh4de:matrix.org:
kycnot me also has a onion, added that in for exchanges section too
14:22:33
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
kycnot, cryptwerk, and monerica are all directories. Xmrbazaar is both a directory and classifieds.
14:22:33
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
I might also consider a second section for gift cards/vouchers (up for discussion):
14:22:34
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
* https://digitalgoods.proxysto.re/en - official retailer for vouchers of various services, like tuta and proton[... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/vfPC49EKc2pZa3V5 ]
14:23:19
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
@redsh4de:matrix.org: Looks good, but i'd put the onion on the left (for consistency), and preferrably find a square monerica logo
14:37:31
redsh4de:matrix.org:
doesnt look like there's a square one
14:37:31
redsh4de:matrix.org:
can also just do this for now, same way they set their favicon
14:37:34
redsh4de:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/dpHWwUEZFHsCRDZIRNnbDhXg.png (image.png)
14:57:46
diego:cypherstack.com:
Not with C3 coming, I'm afraid. Got my hands pretty full. > <@redsh4de:matrix.org> @diego:cypherstack.com: any new additions to the figma design to expect from you in the coming days? or the opengraph thumbnail images
15:49:02
redsh4de:matrix.org:
merchants page deployed: https://beta.monerodevs.org/get-started/merchants/
15:52:51
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Kycnot onion link should be
15:52:51
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
http://kycnotmezdiftahfmc34pqbpicxlnx3jbf5p7jypge7gdvduu7i6qjqd.onion/?currency-mode=or¤cies=xmr
15:52:51
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
and
16:00:01
plowsof:matrix.org:
for not listing kycnot me under cryptwerk, the issue was they didnt have a correct subcategory for it, https://cryptwerk.com/pay-with/xmr/ and monerica.com , xmrbazaar , https://kycnot.me/?currency-mode=or¤cies=xmr is showing vps/vpn and SMS merchants , but with exchanges and aggregators
16:01:08
plowsof:matrix.org:
is that the only "remove cryptwerk" issue 🤔
16:03:05
rottenwheel:unredacted.org:
@redsh4de:matrix.org: Why is Anonero top 1 community wallet when it's single platform and doesn’t work without Tor?
16:03:22
rottenwheel:unredacted.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/unredacted.org/YvHzrufXfQbUxYOPXZCSNElg.png (image.png)
16:03:24
redsh4de:matrix.org:
consequences of alphabetical sorting
16:05:10
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
@rottenwheel:unredacted.org: translation: Cake employee says #1 should be cake
16:05:42
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
or rather, monero.com since thats the only dual platform community monero-only app
16:06:35
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
@plowsof:matrix.org: No, it has gam-bling too
16:07:08
plowsof:
does monerica still list drugs/porn/gambling
16:07:15
plowsof:
lol
16:07:23
rottenwheel:unredacted.org:
First wallet visitor goes to is Tor-only and Android-only. Hm.
16:07:23
rottenwheel:unredacted.org:
Moving that somewhere down the line, make it a custom alphabetical sorting... but you do you.
16:07:46
rottenwheel:unredacted.org:
Sending a visitor to an only-one-platform, Tor-only wallet sounds... not ideal, nor user-friendly.
16:07:48
plowsof:
yes, clicking a dead link as first impression for a noob sucks
16:07:51
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
plowsof: Thats racist
16:08:12
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
plowsof: Anonero link should probably be an onion button
16:08:14
rottenwheel:unredacted.org:
@redsh4de:matrix.org: Time for a custom alphabetical sorting! 🥳
16:08:35
rottenwheel:unredacted.org:
plowsof: Anything wrong with any of those? Monero the orthodox religion. Sins!
16:08:38
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
@rottenwheel:unredacted.org: Yes, use qwerty /s. this idiot
16:08:43
redsh4de:matrix.org:
We can sort by platform availability as primary, alphabetical secondary if there are multiple in the same group
16:08:43
redsh4de:matrix.org:
Order would be as such
16:08:43
redsh4de:matrix.org:
monero-only: monero.com | feather wallet | anonero | monerujo | monfluo[... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/ttDH5tEKa042N3BU ]
16:09:05
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
@redsh4de:matrix.org: Nacj
16:09:06
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Nack
16:09:34
redsh4de:matrix.org:
due to potential astroturfing complaints?
16:09:43
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
yes
16:10:11
rottenwheel:unredacted.org:
@redsh4de:matrix.org: I can think of one already... monero.com is for-profit, has the dreadful .com domain.
16:10:26
redsh4de:matrix.org:
@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: fwiw if the sorting metrics are visible in the code and not biased towards any specific org (availability -> alphabet), i think that doesn't apply
16:10:35
rottenwheel:unredacted.org:
feather wallet | anonero | monfluo | monero.com | monerujo
16:10:39
rottenwheel:unredacted.org:
Something like that...
16:11:11
redsh4de:matrix.org:
@redsh4de:matrix.org: but yeah, if both from the same company are first in both categories someone def would complain regardless
16:11:29
plowsof:
random ordering at deploy so everyone is equally unhappy
16:11:35
plowsof:
just sayin
16:11:45
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
KISS, alphabetical is fine just put an onion icon on anoeros link
16:16:04
plowsof:
rottenwheel "Anything wrong with any of those? Monero the orthodox religion. Sins!" not religious, but surely they are not linking "drugs" (DNM?) - i can only see the testing kit site which is fine
16:16:28
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
no they listed a pharmacy or smthn
16:17:40
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
(Not any dnm)
16:19:25
rottenwheel:unredacted.org:
plowsof: I haven't checked to be honest, probably not. (??)
16:22:51
plowsof:
ah ok, it was from this comment https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/pull/2398#issuecomment-2439697324
16:25:34
plowsof:
here is the add kyc not me to merchants PR: https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/pull/2406
16:29:10
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
I dont think there have been any valid complaints about cryptwerk?
16:29:35
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
(Also havent heard any testimonials either)
16:29:58
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
But its been there for years w/o a complaint
16:33:07
plowsof:
remove it and see who complains? 😳
16:34:15
plowsof:
are they being racist to cakepay? https://cryptwerk.com/companies/giftcards/xmr/
16:43:19
redsh4de:matrix.org:
latest comment in #monero makes me think its worthwhile also highlighting eigenwallet as a user friendly option
16:44:07
redsh4de:matrix.org:
seems like it is, download client binary, deposit btc, swap into xmr... nothing more than that
16:47:34
redsh4de:matrix.org:
they even have a "Buy Monero with fiat" option through DFX built in
16:59:07
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
@redsh4de:matrix.org: sort of
16:59:21
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
But yes, in general, atomic swaps are very user friendly
16:59:40
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
(Since they are trustless)
17:00:10
redsh4de:matrix.org:
i downloaded it to test, seems simple enough
17:00:10
redsh4de:matrix.org:
they even have a startup guide for absolute beginners
17:00:15
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
basicswap isnt as user friendly as eigen for 1 main reason: basicswap requires that you download/sync blockchains (it does this automatically)
17:00:36
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
But once running, they are as simple as trocador
17:00:43
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
faster than swappers
17:00:54
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Less likely (0% chance) to be held pending kyc
17:01:34
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
The main issue is they they are software. Swappers are just websites, so no installation needed
17:02:55
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Swappers are currently requiring 10-50 confirmations before processing the swap
17:03:25
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Eigen and basicswap are like 1 btc conf and 2-4 monero confs
17:04:38
redsh4de:matrix.org:
updated the page to highlight eigen as a user friendly DEX option + marked that it supports fiat purchases due to the DFX swiss integration
17:04:45
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
I'd definitely say eigen is much more noob friendly than retoswap when it comes to turning btc into xmr
17:05:32
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
@redsh4de:matrix.org: Aye.. thats not decentralized or p2p tho :P
17:05:32
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
maybe add a ¹ yo the fiat and a footnote that says its centralized
17:05:48
redsh4de:matrix.org:
yea added (KYC required) to the fiat section
17:06:01
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
its not kyc tho
17:06:17
redsh4de:matrix.org:
DFX swiss requires kyc, right?
17:06:28
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Under 1000 or smthn, you have to put your payment details but no id requirwments
17:06:41
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
@redsh4de:matrix.org: Cake advertises it at no kyc
17:07:02
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
I dont think they request ID
17:09:05
redsh4de:matrix.org:
yeah, no id until a certain point but they still ask for customer info - name, address, etc
17:09:10
redsh4de:matrix.org:
still counts as know your customer imo
17:10:36
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Do they ask for that id or do they just obtain it because you're sending them a payment?
17:10:54
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
because if it's the latter, then reto is the same thing.
17:11:25
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: For that info*
17:21:47
redsh4de:matrix.org:
@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: They ask you to fill out a form before you can purchase
17:21:51
redsh4de:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/ZyogvOuuItVzqgxNNiZlLutx.png (image.png)
17:22:23
redsh4de:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/FQmzqKjlOIXqqCtqxvLkOUXX.png (image.png)
17:24:32
redsh4de:matrix.org:
would keep it as (requires KYC) is as they outright prompt the user to "Complete KYC"
17:28:24
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
You have to do this for haveno too afaik > <@redsh4de:matrix.org> They ask you to fill out a form before you can purchase
17:28:45
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
@redsh4de:matrix.org: Well i guess this says in big bold ketters "kyc"
17:29:12
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: To prevent "3rd party payments"
17:29:20
redsh4de:matrix.org:
@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: id keep it mainly due to that
17:29:38
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Agree
17:30:06
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Maybe it changed. I remember it being advertised as no-kyc
17:30:27
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Ive obv never used dfx
17:36:51
redsh4de:matrix.org:
changes live on page + onion icon in the footer
17:37:44
redsh4de:matrix.org:
with this, the flow for the "Start using Monero" section on the index page can be considered complete
17:37:55
redsh4de:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/mDqMmZivQArOTvJxQfLmyIjp.png (image.png)
17:46:45
ofrnxmr:
"to get the right wallet" -> "to find the right wallet"
17:46:45
ofrnxmr:
maybe "send monero" -> "spend monero"?
17:47:19
redsh4de:matrix.org:
makes ense
18:42:55
redsh4de:matrix.org:
pushed the changes + improved UX for mobile exchange filters: if a item is selected from the filters, a subtitle will be added showing what's kind of category is being highlighted
18:43:25
redsh4de:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/QUNIeKVJytdowQiANjVKeFSD.png (image.png)
18:43:36
redsh4de:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/TshudqBCshFlQMpAsZFDsVUJ.png (image.png)
18:55:26
syntheticbird:
Doing god's work
18:55:34
syntheticbird:
looks fantastic
18:56:46
redsh4de:matrix.org:
ill prob take a week long break after polishing the current state lmao
18:56:50
redsh4de:matrix.org:
spent way more time on this than i had planned
18:58:38
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
@syntheticbird: Also very fast
18:59:05
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
But that might just be because plowsof didnt cheap out and buy the slowest vps like core did (im joking)
19:00:07
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
beta.monerodevs.org @plowsof:matrix.org can you pin a message with this link in it?
19:00:14
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Or add it to the room description
19:00:46
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: have to use element X to do this from mobile fwiw
19:09:19
321bob321:
Getmonero.orgy doesn't hyperlink either
23:53:52
plowsof:matrix.org:
is that how pins work (added link to irc room descr.)
23:54:44
plowsof:matrix.org:
https://beta.monerodevs.org