01:57:51
orly_owl:
one day i will buy monero
02:44:59
ufo808:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/IfqWVFcoglxgnSfGeXcAWTea.mp4 (video_2025-09-23_01-31-29.mp4)
04:19:01
cornfeedhobo:
orly_owl: we believe in you
04:26:04
orly_owl:
thats good enough for me!
04:29:36
neromonero1024:
https://youtu.be/LvCXBO0Vx7Q
04:29:41
neromonero1024:
is this for real?
04:47:50
BlueyHealer:
basses, I mean I don't specifically know the situation for China. First - with how dramatically different the input method is, the Twitter thread was saying that alternatives are harder, and I don't know just how much and whether this has changed in the years since it was texted.
04:49:20
BlueyHealer:
And second - I don't know what are the unlockable bootloader hardware options available easily enough in China. The only search results I got in English was about Western people discussing Chinese region phones, which didn't answer my question.
05:02:25
LibDem:
neromonero1024 the backdoor on intel CPUs is known as IME and has been there for 15 years or so
07:29:58
orly_owl:
JYNA
08:22:08
basses:matrix.org:
BlueyHealer: I meant chinese phones in general, idk if ones sold for china specifically make it impossible to unlock bootloader
09:27:24
BlueyHealer:
Yeah, that was exactly what I was wondering, and I assumed you knew more about that.
09:39:58
shitpost:monero.coffee:
is #monero-markets accessible from Matrix?
09:46:44
monika_tho:matrix.org:
@shitpost:monero.coffee: it is, it's just not bridged to irc and irc is an echochamber of their own
09:47:30
shitpost:monero.coffee:
yes I mean are the permissions OK, because I'm on my old account but it doesn't let me join on my new account
09:52:12
monika_tho:matrix.org:
seems like the room on matrix side is being remade at this very moment lol
09:52:15
monika_tho:matrix.org:
few hours ago:
09:52:20
monika_tho:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/EPKAvweaLhvgHOLZjmumfnMC.png (image.png)
09:52:31
monika_tho:matrix.org:
now the room is new tho
09:52:40
shitpost:monero.coffee:
@monika_tho:matrix.org: nice to see people using my logs website :)
09:52:42
plowsof:matrix.org:
kthnx
09:53:04
monika_tho:matrix.org:
😽
09:54:05
basses:matrix.org:
@shitpost:monero.coffee: link
09:55:59
shitpost:monero.coffee:
@basses:matrix.org: logs.monero.coffee
09:56:23
basses:matrix.org:
looks nice
09:57:17
shitpost:monero.coffee:
I have to make it responsive and add a few new features like realtime updates (for JS some websocket and for non-JS some iframe that refreshes itself or something like this)
09:57:39
shitpost:monero.coffee:
@basses:matrix.org: Thank you
10:29:38
DataHoarder:
10:48:12 <br-m> <shitpost:monero.coffee> yes I mean are the permissions OK, because I'm on my old account but it doesn't let me join on my new account
10:29:38
DataHoarder:
the room state is borked and admins are trying to fix it
10:29:58
DataHoarder:
maybe the new one is working now
10:30:59
DataHoarder:
see if https://matrix.to/#/!IJwltLbZTwLnaNOHks:matrix.org?via=monero.social works for you now, don't listen to kitty
10:31:43
DataHoarder:
also plowsof the room alias needs to be updated afaik
10:32:00
DataHoarder:
new room has no published address, hopefully old one didn't eat it
10:33:12
gan:skhron.org:
DataHoarder: it did
10:33:25
shitpost:monero.coffee:
DataHoarder: working, thank you
10:33:34
plowsof:
F
10:33:48
gan:skhron.org:
the alias should've been unset if if it was tombstoned
10:33:59
DataHoarder:
borky borked
10:34:20
DataHoarder:
yeah well... details show it's still set lol :D
10:34:24
shitpost:monero.coffee:
also if it's possible to add in the space
10:34:37
gan:skhron.org:
either way, if it'll be an issue, and if it was on morg, there's always an option of sending email to morg to get it back
10:34:43
gan:skhron.org:
well, I'm kinda joking
10:34:44
DataHoarder:
it was on social
10:34:48
gan:skhron.org:
it'd probably go to /dev/null as always
10:35:07
DataHoarder:
tombstoned room 😆 https://irc.gammaspectra.live/bec2f77a11001d96/image.png
10:35:09
DataHoarder:
thanks Matrix
10:35:11
gan:skhron.org:
DataHoarder: oh, it could be unset by the admin, if the room state is too fucked to unset it
10:35:29
DataHoarder:
like look at !EgloDEIddVeJLsnQmW:monero.social details :)
10:35:55
gan:skhron.org:
Thankfully, gomuks allows sending raw events very easily
10:36:14
gan:skhron.org:
otherwise, it should be possible to unset it via /devtools on Element
10:37:01
DataHoarder:
"thankfully I just need to send obscure raw commands to unfuck the room state" and other insane thoughts
10:37:27
gan:skhron.org:
So True
10:37:58
shitpost:monero.coffee:
they need to improve matrix, there are lots of bugs
10:38:14
DataHoarder:
result: matrix now has more bugs caused by the solving
10:38:20
plowsof:matrix.org:
monero market rooms are as follows: !TlVgUtVNZychNpMzKW:matrix.org (i get failed to join)
10:38:30
DataHoarder:
???
10:38:34
DataHoarder:
which is that one
10:38:42
DataHoarder:
well now the goalposts have shifted, now it's fixing state AND fixing alias lol
10:38:46
plowsof:matrix.org:
the new one is : !IJwltLbZTwLnaNOHks:matrix.org
10:39:01
DataHoarder:
I know !EgloDEIddVeJLsnQmW:monero.social which is old room
10:39:05
gan:skhron.org:
m.room.canonical_alias > <DataHoarder> "thankfully I just need to send obscure raw commands to unfuck the room state" and other insane thoughts
10:39:05
gan:skhron.org:
{
10:39:05
gan:skhron.org:
}
10:39:06
gan:skhron.org:
should work
10:39:07
plowsof:matrix.org:
and this one on social : !EgloDEIddVeJLsnQmW:monero.social
10:39:10
DataHoarder:
new one is IJ yes
10:39:11
gan:skhron.org:
🚎
10:39:46
plowsof:matrix.org:
!TlVgUtVNZychNpMzKW:matrix.org was created by charuto and has 300~ members
10:40:11
DataHoarder:
is the room with us in the room right now?
10:40:21
gan:skhron.org:
Roomy
10:40:24
plowsof:matrix.org:
lol
10:40:35
plowsof:matrix.org:
ofrnxmr can unfuck room states but its too early atm
10:41:08
DataHoarder:
well. just take care of the second part that IRC side is registered properly (I think it is?) and that ops want the bridge at all
10:41:15
DataHoarder:
cornfeedhobo afaik didn't
10:41:58
DataHoarder:
I could enable puppet-only mode (so bans are replicated) but then every matrix user would need to register an irc account for the bridge to puppet them :)
10:45:05
shitpost:monero.coffee:
if the irc was hosted on an instance of your own instead of libera it could technically do the puppeting like matrix does right?
10:46:14
DataHoarder:
?
10:46:29
DataHoarder:
it already does puppeting
10:46:36
DataHoarder:
I just have the restriction to require accounts to prevent abuse
10:46:52
DataHoarder:
yeah, I guess that could be relaxed if we weren't on libera chat
10:47:00
shitpost:monero.coffee:
here in matrix it creates users with the irc_ prefix, but on the IRC side it uses the same user I believe it's br-m then on the body it defines the <username>
10:47:18
DataHoarder:
it can join users directly on IRC side if you register a puppet for it, opt-in
10:47:36
DataHoarder:
although I have hard disabled it now, plowsof and a couple tested it already when I was running it on p2pool channels only
10:47:43
gan:skhron.org:
contextually, it doesn't have to be irc_ nor br-m prefix, it's set by the software itself
10:47:49
DataHoarder:
it also allows DMs
10:47:59
DataHoarder:
irc_ and br-m are not prefixes
10:48:06
DataHoarder:
br-m is the relay fallback for non-puppet users
10:48:29
DataHoarder:
irc_ thing on matrix is just the appservice registration range
10:48:45
DataHoarder:
so the bridge takes ownership of anything under
10:49:14
shitpost:monero.coffee:
yep I meant the same thing on IRC side, like the appservice registration but with nicks
10:49:30
DataHoarder:
TL;DR it exists, it's not enabled at the moment, and desired scope is to be opt-in via registered accounts (bridge keeps it running for you)
10:49:32
DataHoarder:
that's now how IRC works
10:49:34
DataHoarder:
not*
10:49:48
DataHoarder:
it doesn't matter if it's our own IRC server or Libera, it already works
10:50:04
DataHoarder:
it's a question around abuse
10:50:13
DataHoarder:
also - irc nicks and matrix nicks are not fully compatible
10:50:22
DataHoarder:
as kitty discovered and got very confused with Cindy lol
10:51:02
shitpost:monero.coffee:
cindy has a puppeted account?
10:51:03
DataHoarder:
bridge maps what's able otherwise
10:51:31
DataHoarder:
no, kitty got confused with the matrix side
10:51:52
DataHoarder:
if anyone wants to try IRC puppets poke me, I can make your user enabled for them
10:52:50
plowsof:matrix.org:
"added alternative address #monero-markets:monero.social for this room."
10:53:20
DataHoarder:
now register it publicly :D
10:53:47
plowsof:matrix.org:
visible in public directory checked, this?
10:54:01
DataHoarder:
yeah, so you can join #monero-markets:monero.social from matrix.org for example
10:56:46
plowsof:
the room is @ version 10. performed from my matrix org account - meaning we have a chance to upgrade to 11, or 12 to fix things - the room will be upgraded from a monero social admin account eventually to correctly unfuck it?
10:57:00
DataHoarder:
isn't it monero.social already?
10:57:38
DataHoarder:
ok does any of you have an IRC account on libera and wants to be puppet enabled?
10:57:49
plowsof:matrix.org:
to explain the 'invite only' there is another room for markets on matrix org created by charuto @ !TlVgUtVNZychNpMzKW:matrix.org
10:58:00
DataHoarder:
it doesn't need to share nick per se, you pick that, just account. it connects via certfp (not password)
10:58:25
plowsof:
the charuto room is the one thats borked afaict
10:58:36
DataHoarder:
11:59:07 <@plowsof> the charuto room is the one thats borked afaict
11:01:26
DataHoarder[m]:
hello from Matrix
11:01:37
DataHoarder[m]:
^ this user is now puppeted
11:01:51
shitpost:monero.coffee:
this has been sent from the IRC?
11:01:59
DataHoarder[m]:
no
11:02:00
DataHoarder:
https://irc.gammaspectra.live/64e28028399e8084/image.png
11:02:04
DataHoarder[m]:
I sent it from matrix
11:02:11
DataHoarder[m]:
and on matrix it lands as IRC native
11:02:19
DataHoarder:
this is my normal user :D
11:02:20
shitpost:monero.coffee:
ohh very cool
11:03:29
DataHoarder[m]:
I did message br-m (see HELP command there) then CERTFP DataHoarder
11:04:06
DataHoarder[m]:
Then cause I am listed after adding the certfp to the account (it shows you a command to do so) I could do CONNECT DataHoarder DataHoarder[m] so you can even pick a nick
11:05:36
BlueyHealer:
Puppets are here? NICE
11:06:58
gan:skhron.org:
Now the question is: Who's the puppet master?
11:07:38
shitpost:monero.coffee:
the master of puppets
11:08:00
gan:skhron.org:
Metal
11:08:15
DataHoarder[m]:
They were already here, just disabled. I can't support all the creation yet until it's moved somewhere else server wise
11:08:19
DataHoarder[m]:
unpaid service :P
11:09:45
DataHoarder:
it also joined all the rooms I'm part of, and br-m stops relaying messages for that user (and native IRC connection uses that)
11:10:01
DataHoarder:
it's a full new IRC client, so it has a higher overhead than matrix puppets
11:10:31
DataHoarder:
the "relay" is effectively just a fallback puppet
11:11:17
shitpost:monero.coffee:
since most of people aren't puppeted it's sometimes hard to read on IRC for me
11:11:32
DataHoarder:
well, logs site could undo the user stuff
11:11:38
DataHoarder:
Like I do for telegram users
11:12:03
shitpost:monero.coffee:
on my logs page I have mapped all the puppet fallback bridges and parse the username
11:12:19
shitpost:monero.coffee:
so it doesn't show up from br-m
11:12:50
DataHoarder:
otherwise. without account, you can't register/group the IRC nick (which the puppet does for you!)
11:13:03
DataHoarder:
without grouping, you can't recover the account
11:13:38
snowflake:nope.chat:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/nope.chat/rViXlTJmYcRjSMcuLLFJZKGU.mkv (this dolly zoom effect is cool af)
11:13:39
DataHoarder:
that whole state tracking is omitted from most state by enforcing recovery of nicks on join, so it's only a small part that cares about that
11:15:42
DataHoarder:
matrix user ids are permanent and non-deletable (under normal circumstances)
11:16:13
DataHoarder:
irc: users may change nick anytime and can be taken, so you must recover or wait for old user to timeout and take it when it parts
11:21:33
DataHoarder:
but yeah, joins all the irc channels that you are on matrix side automatically
12:55:36
nioc:
someone calling Cat a false prophet on the matrix markets room :(
12:55:52
nioc:
how do I join to defend her honor?
13:01:14
orly_owl:
get a life
13:02:09
nioc:
I could use another one as I am running out of my current ones
13:03:31
Cindy:
gives nioc 7 1-ups
13:03:52
nioc:
:)
13:03:55
Cindy:
:D
13:09:30
orly_owl:
:(:(:):(:):):
13:09:36
orly_owl:
i didnt know when to stop
14:00:08
Cindy:
< DataHoarder> inflation fetish
14:00:15
Cindy:
this will forever be saved in my logs
14:00:26
DataHoarder:
<Cindy> for more info, google: luigi inflation
14:00:27
DataHoarder:
same
14:02:23
Cindy:
hey at least you aren't checking what i say in ##furry
14:02:30
Cindy:
that stuff is like.. log-worthy and a half
14:03:32
Cindy:
so i can rest easy at night knowing that :D
14:03:41
Anonomys25:
0 - 0
14:04:03
Cindy:
uhhh.. hi Anonomys25
14:04:11
Anonomys25:
Hey Cindy
14:04:48
cornfeedhobo:
DataHoarder, anything I can help with?
14:05:03
DataHoarder:
maybe share your cross IRC/Matrix moderation concerns
14:05:15
DataHoarder:
you have brought this up a couple of times (and over DM)
14:06:32
cornfeedhobo:
ack. one sec.
14:07:44
DataHoarder:
specially as a known ban evader on matrix side is asking to have #monero-markets bridged to IRC (I assume so they can see the logs in secret so they can do drive-by trolling)
14:08:31
Cindy:
more like they don't want to drive-by troll in libera
14:09:07
Cindy:
wait, is #monero-markets in matrix and #monero-markets in IRC seperate channels?
14:09:21
DataHoarder:
yes
14:09:23
Cindy:
ah
14:09:26
DataHoarder:
also there's like 5 matrix channels
14:09:27
Cindy:
well that makes sense
14:09:35
DataHoarder:
each broken on their own way :')
14:09:39
cornfeedhobo:
yes. they were bridged a long time ago, but we removed it because the abuse and didn't want it shut down
14:09:52
cornfeedhobo:
that was back when libera had the native bridging
14:09:52
DataHoarder:
we might have fixed some today
14:11:15
DataHoarder:
what moderation features would you like to see for such abuse?
14:12:06
DataHoarder:
assuming let's say that bridge listens to listed ops/mods on both sides and has powers on each side to manage this (half-op on irc, can't remember the equivalent on matrix)
14:12:22
Cindy:
do matrix accounts have age associated to them?
14:12:25
Cindy:
(i mean account creation age)
14:12:26
DataHoarder:
half-op = can moderate all non-op/founder users, ops override
14:13:04
DataHoarder:
not one I can see, but the server knows the first time that it interacted with it via federation
14:13:22
DataHoarder:
not easily exposed but can be tracked
14:13:54
cornfeedhobo:
I figure there are up to three modes. (1 & 2) IRC Ops can mute specific matrix users, and Matrix Ops can mute specific IRC users. This would only stop the message from being relayed to the other network. This accounts for users on either side that may be tolerated more than the other appreciates. (3) If both sides agree on a unified moderation approach, then "clone" all moderation commands to the both networks. e.g. If an IRC Op kicks a
14:13:56
cornfeedhobo:
user, they also get kicked on the matrix side.
14:14:37
Cindy:
how do you kick a matrix user in IRC?
14:14:44
Cindy:
do you PM the bridge bot?
14:15:16
DataHoarder:
that already gets mapped if they are puppets
14:15:18
DataHoarder:
and bridge has powers
14:15:27
DataHoarder:
if they are via relay on IRC, that'd be an extra command indeed
14:15:48
DataHoarder:
preferably cornfeedhobo it'd be 3)
14:16:16
DataHoarder:
I do a bit of 1/2 myself, where certain users are exempt from relays across the ones I run due to breach of my local laws/regulations
14:16:17
Cindy:
i wonder if, for very new accounts, they could have their messages quarantined
14:16:21
cornfeedhobo:
Cindy: if a matrix user starts spamming and no matrix op is around, an IRC op would send a command to the channel, the bot would catch that and kick the matrix user, now both networks have stopped the spam. same logic would apply in reverse
14:16:22
Cindy:
until a mod approves
14:16:33
DataHoarder:
that's the extent of my moderation, which should be left to the channel owners themselves
14:16:47
cornfeedhobo:
Yeah, there is room for details in there, but obviously that makes the implementation more complex.
14:17:03
DataHoarder:
also don't make this a moderation policy server either lol :D
14:17:21
DataHoarder:
more like, assume current behavior, if bridge had powers, what'd you like to have it done
14:17:35
DataHoarder:
tweaks for each channel relay rules sound reasonable
14:17:46
cornfeedhobo:
Yeah that's why I broke option 3 out. I think 1 & 2 are required to respect the rules of each network without impacting the other.
14:17:54
DataHoarder:
specially as current moderation is not shared
14:18:27
DataHoarder:
I'd like to see 3 myself anyhow
14:19:28
cornfeedhobo:
Am I understanding you that 1 & 2 are already supported? How could I mute a matrix user from being relayed without having to mute the entire bridge?
14:19:47
DataHoarder:
1&2 are supported in case of puppets AND bot has powers
14:20:20
DataHoarder:
right now, this is only always the case on Matrix (given there are powers), and on IRC with puppet users from Matrix
14:20:28
DataHoarder[m]:
like me. hello
14:20:46
DataHoarder:
that user can be kicked and it'll attempt to map the powers on the other side
14:21:15
Cindy:
https://royaleapi.com/player/RLGQL0C90
14:21:16
DataHoarder:
ofc, bot usually doesn't have the rights to do so
14:21:30
cornfeedhobo:
hmm, I think I'm not understanding the full meaning of "puppet"
14:22:04
Cindy:
luigi1111 knows how to use hogrider
14:22:47
DataHoarder:
12:12:46 <br-m> <shitpost:monero.coffee> on my logs page I have mapped all the puppet fallback bridges and parse the username
14:22:49
DataHoarder:
^ this is not a puppet. this is a relay
14:22:56
DataHoarder:
at this moment, you can't kick shitpost from IRC
14:23:29
DataHoarder:
there is no command. so an emulation for KICK/BAN semantics could be added for people with rights on the channel
14:24:01
cornfeedhobo:
yeah, exactly. the bridge could have a few bot commands and keep a list of users that don't get relayed
14:24:34
DataHoarder:
it'd need context so probably I'd keep them in-channel, but it'd only list to people with powers or listed ones
14:24:47
DataHoarder:
in this case, only plowsof here atm could issue commands
14:25:41
cornfeedhobo:
Ideally it would be anyone that has Op privileges at the time the command was sent
14:26:01
DataHoarder:
yeah, just listing an example
14:26:05
cornfeedhobo:
ack
14:26:08
DataHoarder:
which happens to be just plowsof
14:26:30
DataHoarder:
(I already have that per-room power resolution logic plumbed in!)
14:26:39
DataHoarder:
well. on IRC
14:26:52
DataHoarder:
on matrix it's easier, I don't need to do that just listen for events as everyone is a puppet
14:27:03
DataHoarder:
there is a bot there but it never relays messages
14:29:17
DataHoarder:
anyhow if a KICK happens on IRC, the target user is removed from the room db mapping, then checks source user. if source user exists on matrix side (a normal op, services are not mapped to matrix) that user starts the KICK event on matrix side. otherwise the bot does it. that failing, and the user being ours, the user leaves the room
14:32:16
DataHoarder:
1/2 can be merged tbh cornfeedhobo as the bridge just works with mapped ids on both sides
14:32:30
DataHoarder:
irc users exist within monero.social matrix id namespace
14:32:47
DataHoarder:
for example, I am @irc_datahoarder:monero.social there
14:33:34
DataHoarder:
an ignore relay already exists for specific user ids, and message regex (for some link spam)
14:36:51
cornfeedhobo:
so, in "explain it like I'm 5" terms, let's say a matrix user is spamming, and plowsof is only on IRC. What exact steps do they take to silence the spam for the IRC side, only for that specifc user?
14:37:56
DataHoarder:
right now, or desired
14:38:08
cornfeedhobo:
both
14:38:27
DataHoarder:
right now plowsof goes to their matrix account and bans them there :P
14:38:33
cornfeedhobo:
lol
14:39:02
DataHoarder:
the banhammer there has a few more instance wide powers
14:39:08
DataHoarder:
(and cleans up messages)
14:40:50
DataHoarder:
it might be easier to just handle per-room ignore list, as the semantics of powers on each side is not that trivial to map
14:41:18
DataHoarder:
for example, voice modes and +m on IRC
14:42:06
DataHoarder:
each room can also have custom permission trees and levels
14:43:20
DataHoarder:
you could do something like .quiet @irc_cornfeedhobo:monero.social
14:43:37
DataHoarder:
then bridge would update mapping for the room
15:18:02
cornfeedhobo:
Yeah, something like that sounds like what I was thinking.
19:33:55
321bob321:
Bamhammmer, bans and redacts the messages but also can do more depending on the bot
19:39:00
bikrambiswas:matrix.org:
Price pumping that attracts lots of short traders..newbies . It occasionally happens. But to be honest..our metrix server and other Channel's community members size is very low .
19:39:10
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Can it call the persons parents and get their internet taken away?
19:40:00
bikrambiswas:matrix.org:
I just want to say..A ban hammer is not necessary .
19:41:24
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Its super necessary - jorge masvidal
19:41:41
321bob321:
Makes it easier
19:41:44
DataHoarder:
the ban hammer is already here and was necessary in the past
19:41:53
Cindy:
^
19:41:56
DataHoarder:
specially to cleanup stuff on matrix side
19:42:08
321bob321:
Try banning a user while the room is getting spammed
19:42:12
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
And to ban across every room at once
19:42:16
DataHoarder:
you just came here bikrambiswas but it has been pretty bad
19:42:34
321bob321:
It crashes your client
19:42:44
DataHoarder:
there are also specific actors that are not spamming or misbehaving, but are outright malicious, or acting as someone else to discredit them
19:42:53
Cindy:
i can attest to all that
19:42:59
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
@bikrambiswas:matrix.org why do you feel that it is not needed?
19:43:03
Cindy:
including assholes in general from the matrix side
19:43:05
321bob321:
The year was 24/25
19:43:18
321bob321:
And plowsof was solo modding
19:43:27
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
24/25 was probably the greatest spammer of all times
19:43:39
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
@321bob321: I dont even think plowsof was mod at the time
19:43:57
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
I used to spend like 20hrs a day entertaining 24/25 in dms
19:44:14
321bob321:
Ai told me this so 110% correct
19:44:58
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
BB? ^ > <@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @bikrambiswas:matrix.org why do you feel that it is not needed?
19:45:02
bikrambiswas:matrix.org:
Only a few people keep talking with each other and trolling everyone. That's my honest opinion. You don't need to banhammer when the server runs by only 10 or 20 people. > <@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @bikrambiswas:matrix.org why do you feel that it is not needed?
19:45:19
Cindy:
ohhh.. it's MORE than that
19:45:57
321bob321:
This is bear season
19:46:18
bikrambiswas:matrix.org:
Not for Monero
19:47:11
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
@bikrambiswas:matrix.org: You must miss the trollibg
19:47:48
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
there are probably well over 100 active members, many of them reading along, on irc, or busy working
19:48:06
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
and many hundreds more who only visit casually
19:48:37
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Then there are bad actors who either do bad 5x a day, or wait for mods to go to sleep and unleash hell
19:49:13
bikrambiswas:matrix.org:
DataHoarder: Thankyou. I just wanted to not engage in this type of conversation. Which will create an argument and a negative environment. After work I get so little time to use social platforms. I don't want to waste it this way.
19:49:20
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
We are subject to matrix.org and libera.chat's TOS, so we cant just allow threats, doxxing, and illegal porn to exist
19:49:54
DataHoarder:
> After work I get so little time to use social platforms. I don't want to waste it this way.
19:50:03
DataHoarder:
yeah tools like that allow your time to not be wasted that way :)
19:50:05
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
We not only ban users, but we ban homeservers and make rooms invite-only when things get too bad
19:50:16
DataHoarder:
keep it clean for you to interact instead of getting chased away
19:50:25
DataHoarder:
(some of those actors were threatening regular members)
19:50:46
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Many of these rooms are workgroups. That is, they are for work related tasks, not for chat
19:51:15
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Users who flood workgroups with non-work related things, are wasting everyones time
19:51:26
bikrambiswas:matrix.org:
@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: That's a fair point.
19:51:51
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Example, dev. If you are in dev talkijg about bullshit, you have 100s of devs reading every message and there is no dev related messages
19:52:39
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Ideally, when a new message appears in dev, the devs will read it and respond. But if its full of idle chatter, things get missed
19:53:10
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Thats why we have rooms like monero and monero-offtopic. So people can talk openly
19:53:40
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
For a long time, offtopic intentionally had no moderation, but people went and started threatening people and posting porn etc
19:54:27
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
going offtopic in a workgroup will often get you kicked (not banned) from the single room
19:54:53
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
But if your intent is to distract devs and waste their time, youll get yourself banned
19:55:07
bikrambiswas:matrix.org:
I get your point ..I can't say you are wrong.
19:55:31
DataHoarder:
like kitty whenever each workgroup meeting starts posting memes and being disruptive and calling people names
19:56:10
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
As youve seen, we have monero-research-lab and monero-research-lounge
19:56:10
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
lab is strictly for research work, reports, etc. Lounge is a place to discuss and ask questions
19:58:18
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
If we were a much smaller community with only 2 or 3 rooms, than you might not need the hammer
19:58:56
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
But we have probably 15 rooms or more, and removing users from all of them is far too time consuming when then user makes 10 accounts per day
20:00:50
DataHoarder:
"15 rooms or more"
20:00:57
DataHoarder:
that's an understatement :D
20:01:48
DataHoarder:
09:51:22 <DataHoarder> old bridge spans 31 channels, new bridge 14
20:01:48
DataHoarder:
09:52:45 <DataHoarder> old bridge has 6 channels disabled, of those 4 were migrated to new, 1 was disabled by Libera Staff due to abuse, 1 was disabled due to request from channel ops
20:01:55
DataHoarder:
I also don't have a bridge on all channels
20:04:12
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Yeah, i didnt want to overshoot it > <DataHoarder> that's an understatement :D
20:04:56
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
so i guesstimated the number of rooms listed on getmonero
20:05:44
bikrambiswas:matrix.org:
> <@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> As youve seen, we have monero-research-lab and monero-research-lounge
20:05:45
bikrambiswas:matrix.org:
But still sometimes aggressive OG community members of any project do not like new community members.. Diversity is also an issue in the global platform. We are mature people here . We never chanted for Trump before the election so he's gonna pump my bags after the election. Diversity, Racism, and trolls very often create an [... too long, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/mvON5twKQUY3Zmxh ]
20:05:45
bikrambiswas:matrix.org:
Too much control= No control ... Anyways I just shared another side of the coin. But I agree a ban is necessary for scammers, spam bots, or uncivilized people who shared Porn, nudity etc etc.
20:07:19
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Being against AI isnt racism :P
20:07:46
Cindy:
i don't like trump or AI
20:07:50
Cindy:
but i like monero
20:07:52
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
But there are of course racist people here. This is the internet. You have some of the best and worst of society here
20:13:19
bikrambiswas:matrix.org:
@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: I never said that..I just want to say ..It's hard to accept diversity and different opinions , different perspectives. That creates a conservative belief..this thing creates a perfect atmosphere where people start to normalise racism, sexism, and personal attack and stupid internet things...
20:13:19
bikrambiswas:matrix.org:
FYI i respect your opinion about against AI.
20:14:38
321bob321:
Wes inclusive
20:15:48
Cindy:
nobody can normalize racism, sexism and shit here
20:16:00
Cindy:
that's against the network rules
20:16:07
Cindy:
libera's rules specifically
21:12:32
plowsof:
Normalise lurking for a bit when you are new
21:14:19
plowsof:
And dont shame those who perpetually lurk
21:16:11
btcdwed:
lurkers gonna lurk
21:33:26
17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh:
sometimes they meow
21:33:31
17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh:
:3
21:58:13
basses:matrix.org:
https://projectzero.google/2026/01/pixel-0-click-part-1.html
22:04:11
Cindy:
does grapheneOS even have the dolby codec
22:23:13
basses:matrix.org:
Cindy: https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/30743-pixel-9-0-click-exploit-chain-reported-by-project-zero/4
23:13:44
basses:matrix.org:
https://github.com/umutcamliyurt/Matrix-IRC_Bridge
23:13:45
basses:matrix.org:
in rust
23:19:05
DataHoarder:
does it handle tombstones?
23:19:18
DataHoarder:
ircv3 fallbacks for replies or threading two way?
23:35:25
basses:matrix.org:
idk, but author is known for not maintaining project for long