00:01:04
nioc:
I just opened a 2004 barolo in your and all the devs honor -- https://i.ytimg.com/vi/-JvdfsIeb-s/hqdefault.jpg
00:41:49
321bob321:
Retirement now ?
00:48:40
nioc:
I will work for montero 4eva
05:17:13
321bob321:
Blood in, blood out
06:15:27
bikrambiswas:matrix.org:
Is there any nft marketplace for Monero..where we can trade NFTs anonymously ?
06:38:33
DataHoarder:
no. they are undesired, and community blocked them when someone tried to add them to Monero
06:39:04
DataHoarder:
mordinals they were called, and they were blocked via limiting tx extra size on transaction broadcast
06:39:21
DataHoarder:
the next FCMP++/Carrot hardfork will place this limit on consensus itself
06:39:33
DataHoarder:
it also had other impacts https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/12kv5m0/empirical_privacy_impact_of_mordinals_monero_nfts/
06:43:34
BlueyHealer:
Monero could've had NFTs? EWW what a bullet dodged!
06:49:05
plowsof:
Images.. gifs... A website that showed the recently minted ones.. https://github.com/mooonero/mordinals
06:56:04
BlueyHealer:
lol that's so against Monero's spirit - having a thing only useful to cryptobros. I've heard of it a while ago and glad it's gone for good)
07:20:00
321bob321:
morbs?
07:31:42
BlueyHealer:
What?
07:34:39
321bob321:
monero nfts
07:35:08
321bob321:
the tx_extra meme was created from
09:18:58
bikrambiswas:matrix.org:
@321bob321: It's not about Memes..You can sell tools.. Encrypted documents.. Videos.. Privacy tools .. A whole package of coding wrapped into NFTs.. Imagine in this AI era where post Quantum privacy risks are becoming a real thing in 2026... people can utilise this type of things..in past communities cares so much about C [... too long, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/5seagdwKZVRGeEEt ]
09:21:36
BlueyHealer:
Why do you need NFTs for that and not just a regular market tho?
09:21:55
BlueyHealer:
Are you just posting word salard for the lolz?
09:32:17
bikrambiswas:matrix.org:
BlueyHealer: I need that for Privacy & Anonymity...why do you need crypto? What you can't do in fiat?
09:34:24
BlueyHealer:
No but I mean why would NFTs be needed for a market like this?
09:36:28
BlueyHealer:
Like, at least in a lot of cases, it'd corespond to some external download anyway - storing anything big on-chain is a hassle on its own, and if it's a piece of software, you'd need to do updates. So from what I understand, it's just wasteful for no reason.
09:37:20
BlueyHealer:
For a marketplace - something easily-selfhostable, maybe federated (why not? Social media can be such so why can't markets?) would be more practical.
09:38:30
bikrambiswas:matrix.org:
BlueyHealer: Well that's true..but similarly Values of data ...is kind of like gold . The more you can store ..the more value of chain and token will gain.
09:40:04
BlueyHealer:
I don't think it's straightforward like this, especially if this feature harms privacy, negating the entire value.
09:40:35
BlueyHealer:
Like, what's the benefit of this compared to, say, an open-source marketplace hosted on I2P?
09:41:53
bikrambiswas:matrix.org:
BlueyHealer: That's the core concept.. protect privacy & anonymity.. Otherwise thousands of shitty nft marketplace available...where you can trade memes .
09:42:44
BlueyHealer:
But from what I understand, NFTs would have hurt privacy of actual transactions on XMR?
09:43:28
bikrambiswas:matrix.org:
BlueyHealer: Open source is good for organisations..not for privacy. Decentralization is good for the public sector..but not for individual privacy.
09:43:54
BlueyHealer:
Like, I don't get what role an NFT plays in your proposed trade.
09:44:06
bikrambiswas:matrix.org:
BlueyHealer: It's not ..if you use homomorphic encryption
09:44:49
BlueyHealer:
Decentralization is good for the public sector..but not for individual privacy. <- Also I don't think so. No central "point" to observe, and in case of one changing its rules to be hostile - others are not necessarily affected.
09:45:32
BlueyHealer:
I don't get why you'd need an NFT for this. Especially when selling software, that you'd need to update.
09:46:21
BlueyHealer:
Also, how would the listings work?
09:48:37
bikrambiswas:matrix.org:
Imagine..I got secret information of bureaucrat's corruption..and i want to store it and send it with the media ..I can't expose my identity or I don't want it traceable..So the best way you can do it is ..use a private token and use monero infrastructure.. > <BlueyHealer> Like, I don't get what role an NFT plays in your proposed trade.
09:49:56
BlueyHealer:
I think there's still better ways rather than storing big amounts of information on a chain.
09:50:27
BlueyHealer:
When Chainalysis video got leaked, it just got reuploaded to a ton of places including an I2P torrent.
09:50:46
plowsof:
the best way to do it is use some infra thats been specifically developed with journalists behind enemy lines in mind (and don't forget to place a bet on polymarket if you have secret info)
09:52:34
BlueyHealer:
Also imagine how much more demanding it would be for anyone hosting a node
09:52:39
bikrambiswas:matrix.org:
BlueyHealer: Listing is for commercial purposes..I didn't want to make it commercial. I focused on individual privacy.
09:52:40
plowsof:
ask AI how do i share secret info anonymously if im a journalist, then ask it "do you think monero devs would put effort into turning the chain into file storage or is that a valuable use of time"
09:52:43
BlueyHealer:
Storage requirements suddenly balloon
09:53:22
BlueyHealer:
plowsof, I get your attitude but "ask AI" is a horrible advice to anyone because AI is not a source.
09:54:05
plowsof:
when you are talking to an AI is the future person and you want to be a bit satirical then its appropriate
09:54:49
BlueyHealer:
plowsof, yeah, I get your intention - it's just that some people genuinely do that so at least right now the sarcasm can easily be lost XD
09:55:50
BlueyHealer:
Also for resilient storage of files with multiple copies - I've seen a few solutions. A blockchain, especially if it hurts the main usecase, is just not it.
09:57:02
bikrambiswas:matrix.org:
plowsof: That's the hardest way and not millions of people can use it ..look at the world..Iran is burning..Venuzuala is suffering..The world is not normal anymore. Billions of people having privacy threats. The biggest problem with privacy tools nowadays is ..it's not user friendly. 1 simple thing we need ..make it user frien [... too long, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/nP6lgtwKc2Y5djcy ]
09:58:20
BlueyHealer:
Yeah but blockchain is just not good for this purpose. That's just wasteful for little benefit.
09:58:48
BlueyHealer:
When it comes to tools necessary in such situations, NFTs would be the last thing I'd think about XD
10:11:30
bikrambiswas:matrix.org:
plowsof: Think like this ... People innovate Car & Bus ..( assume Car = AI) .. People innovate fast and fast cars ..The more people developed Cars ..the More causing environment damage, accidents on Road ...Now privacy is like a Hospital,...And protecting those people from an accident..you need an ambulance ..and an ambulance [... too long, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/rffagtwKcG5NanFJ ]
10:17:44
BlueyHealer:
Why would a solution to the world problems need a fancy hallucinating autocorrect lol
10:18:10
BlueyHealer:
Also you were arguing that NFTs of all things are a practical solution to some things
10:20:36
bikrambiswas:matrix.org:
BlueyHealer: I thought we were discussing. I never wanted to win an argument
10:22:49
BlueyHealer:
We were discussing, I just don't see your points (especially where you started).
10:36:44
321bob321:
https://www.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/1qbhdh3/glass_keep_open_source_self_hosted_google_keep/ lol
11:02:40
Cindy:
"venezuala is burning.. so tht's why we introduced to you: ugly ass monkey NFTs again"
11:03:32
Cindy:
guys how dare you limit tx_extra
11:03:51
Cindy:
i want to store copyrighted content on the blockchain
11:04:03
Cindy:
this is so unfair
11:04:20
orly_owl:
why not a few bible quotes
11:04:23
orly_owl:
someone did that iirc
11:04:57
Cindy:
i want to store nintendo pre-release games on the blockchain
11:05:09
Cindy:
and then see the lawyers swarm in
11:05:10
imprevisto:matrix.org:
how bout ... this 🍆
11:05:36
orly_owl:
nintendo lawyers definitely move like vermin
11:07:24
Cindy:
tbh, i'm glad tx_extra was limited
11:07:38
Cindy:
imagine if everyone learnt how to abuse it, the blockchain size would bloat up fast
11:08:13
Cindy:
and of course, attackers can use it to make it more unfeasible to host a full node
11:10:30
orly_owl:
it needs too much already
11:10:57
BlueyHealer:
Just found out that apparently in 2024, a huge amount of Nintendo-related content was purged from Gmod workshop
11:11:44
BlueyHealer:
so while you're at it can you also store my Waluigi player model on the chain before it's gone again
11:11:50
orly_owl:
wat is gmpd workshop
11:12:07
orly_owl:
tyops
11:12:12
orly_owl:
typos
11:12:13
orly_owl:
wow
11:15:42
Cindy:
how can you DMCA a blockchain
11:30:26
orly_owl:
we'll find a way! /us gov
12:12:41
BlueyHealer:
"nerd harder bruh"
12:38:42
gan:skhron.org:
That's any copyrightists to be honest > <orly_owl> nintendo lawyers definitely move like vermin
12:39:12
gan:skhron.org:
that also would include VALVe
12:39:27
Cindy:
and also SEGA
12:42:05
gan:skhron.org:
Cindy: Thankfully DMCA isn't respected everywhere
13:10:46
orly_owl:
its respected nowhere
13:42:35
BlueyHealer:
DMCA my Raspberry Pi seeding stuff at home now lol
17:52:07
DataHoarder:
NFTs were discouraged as it was decided long ago that Monero is money, and only money, not a platform to push other stuff into
17:52:22
BlueyHealer:
hard agree
18:08:56
Cindy:
hard agree
18:10:25
plowsof:
but the world is burning
18:58:46
nioc:
162 inputs hmmmm https://p2pool.io/explorer/tx/538a4a4a4a95e266f3a7421e90ce8ed55913d3977ac4c0b13ae8a82b75d1887f
18:59:49
nioc:
109kB
19:05:27
sech1:
Must have been created with a modified wallet
19:05:38
sech1:
Network consensus limits tx to 150 KB
19:05:48
sech1:
But wallet limit is 100 KB by default
19:06:32
Cindy:
modified clients are hella sick
19:06:56
sech1:
Network is getting busy: https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/monero-transactions.html#3m
19:07:16
sech1:
5 blocks backlog right now
19:09:33
nioc:
many consolidation txs
19:10:22
nioc:
and there was a 19min block to start the backlog
19:11:08
nioc:
and last block was a cubist 20 tx one
19:11:30
nioc:
40.13kB
19:16:03
sech1:
qubic retards couldn't even implement mining properly
19:16:08
sech1:
limited to 20tx per block
19:17:11
Cindy:
sech1: "o-oh that's just a feature, not a bug"
19:17:19
Cindy:
"we just like the number 20"
19:18:24
DataHoarder:
hefty p2pool block sech1 https://blocks.p2pool.observer/block/fb5a7396684951afa44e8701fc8e462ad4691712676437f5d4190b13c184871f
19:18:33
DataHoarder:
0.788 XMR
19:18:54
nioc:
Reward 0.788777492260 XMR o_0
19:19:37
Cindy:
is that including or not including the tail emission
19:19:43
nioc:
wallet fees usually use 8 places after the decimal
19:19:43
Cindy:
the 0.6 XMR
19:19:49
nioc:
includes
19:19:56
Cindy:
wow that is very little
19:20:02
DataHoarder:
that is total block reward Cindy
19:20:12
DataHoarder:
0.18 XMR in fees is pretty nice
19:20:19
Cindy:
true but it's like
19:20:24
Cindy:
split between 700 people
19:20:31
nioc:
fees minus penalty
19:20:32
DataHoarder:
that is +30%
19:20:35
DataHoarder:
nope, Cindy
19:20:37
DataHoarder:
64 people
19:20:39
DataHoarder:
it's main
19:20:43
Cindy:
ah
19:20:44
Cindy:
main
19:20:48
DataHoarder:
it's still +30%
19:21:09
DataHoarder:
also - it's not always just 0.6XMR
19:21:13
DataHoarder:
some portion of that can be burned to include txs above block weight
19:21:27
sech1:
Block reward: 0.599730 Total fees: 0.189048
19:21:38
sech1:
yes, it did burn a little to go over the median size limit
19:21:44
DataHoarder:
mini also got 0.733251290640 block recently
19:22:07
DataHoarder:
d0bd2972fad846b493faba9019e4c5a3cd5e634ecc50af3f715f74038441b0b4
19:22:09
DataHoarder:
https://blocks.p2pool.observer/block/d0bd2972fad846b493faba9019e4c5a3cd5e634ecc50af3f715f74038441b0b4