02:12:50
DataHoarder:
Just discord zoomers
16:41:32
plowsof:
mastering python for national security https://www.theregister.com/2025/12/16/mi6_chief_well_be_as/
17:54:33
Cindy:
what is this meme that people keep saying, that gnu taler is private
17:55:49
Cindy:
gnu taler is only half-private (the person who pays is anonymous and private, but the person who receives is not private)
17:57:11
Cindy:
actually no wait, nevermind. https://nlnet.nl/project/GNUTaler-KYC/
17:57:49
gan:skhron.org:
Cindy: improper communication? it's stated that it's private only for the buyer in nearly all docs
17:58:20
Cindy:
yeah, but people see "private" and think it's for both sides
17:59:05
Cindy:
but now that they're trying to cram KYC/AML into taler, that's not true anymore
18:04:22
ravfx:xmr.mx:
They want to be accepted by the normies/states or something
18:04:24
ravfx:xmr.mx:
"legal requirements of different countries"
18:04:25
gan:skhron.org:
Cindy: Indeed. I never supported Richard's bleeding-heart liberal brand of taxation either
18:04:54
gan:skhron.org:
@ravfx:xmr.mx: It'd be still slavery machine regardless if it'd be free (as in freedom in context of software) 🧌
18:05:38
BlueyHealer:
Wouldn't that still be an improvement from normal bank cards though? It's very clear it's not taking the niche of private digital currencies, but this one?
18:05:53
Cindy:
it's no different from visa or mastercard
18:06:17
ravfx:xmr.mx:
It's more like a payment processor right?
18:06:18
ravfx:xmr.mx:
I think you still need the banks
18:06:23
Cindy:
yes
18:06:24
BlueyHealer:
You do.
18:06:29
Cindy:
taler is just like mastercard/visa
18:06:34
Cindy:
it's just a payment processor
18:06:56
BlueyHealer:
Would the processor be universal like this or each country could have their own?
18:07:16
ravfx:xmr.mx:
I tought so, so you endup with bi-kyc at minimum (the bank and the payment processor)
18:07:16
ravfx:xmr.mx:
So much for the openness 😂
18:07:23
BlueyHealer:
tbh the dominance of those American companies outside of America is concerning as well...
18:07:55
Cindy:
BlueyHealer: if each country could have their own, how do you handle inter-country transactions
18:08:00
BlueyHealer:
TBH I don't find it hard to use a card rarely anyway.
18:08:22
BlueyHealer:
Cindy, so that doesn't solve that either? I didn't have a clear understanding of that.
18:08:29
ravfx:xmr.mx:
I don't have any cards. But I think I can only do that in Latam (easily)
18:09:05
BlueyHealer:
I do have cards, but don't use them often. Seems like our economy is shifting more and more into cash anyway.
18:09:14
gan:skhron.org:
eh, especially considering https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/east-asia/article/3319180/japanese-regulators-find-visa-pressured-firms-hiked-fees > <BlueyHealer> tbh the dominance of those American companies outside of America is concerning as well...
18:09:15
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Cash is still the kind, for now.
18:09:15
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Sadly corpo payment processor are making it easy for merchands to accept there scam now
18:09:35
Cindy:
BlueyHealer: taler does not support conversion between currencies
18:09:49
BlueyHealer:
Cash IS king, and crypto is just a substitute for that in when you cannot meet face to face.
18:09:53
Cindy:
"Still, the regulatory hurdles in this case tend to be particularly complex. The focus for Taler is on day-to-day payments, so we have no plans to support currency conversion in the near future. " - https://www.taler.net/en/faq.html
18:09:54
gan:skhron.org:
BlueyHealer: Interesting, in Petrograd, most people are required to have cards to work at all
18:10:11
BlueyHealer:
I am just thinking of Visa/Mastercard because either of this recently had censorship drama.
18:10:21
Cindy:
so it's literally just
18:10:21
ravfx:xmr.mx:
BlueyHealer: yep, cash for the street/local p2p, monero for the internet
18:10:28
Cindy:
a localized payment processor
18:10:40
Cindy:
you can only send money to people WITHIN your country or jurisdiction
18:10:42
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Cindy: But it's FOSS!
18:10:54
BlueyHealer:
gan, here it's very common, but A LOT of people are paid in cash anyway.
18:10:58
Cindy:
oh don't forget
18:11:05
Cindy:
YOUR DIGITAL CASH HAS AN EXPIRATION DATE
18:11:13
BlueyHealer:
lol
18:11:14
Cindy:
"Taler e-money is issued with a validity period. One month before the expiration date, your wallet should automatically exchange any digital cash that is about to expire for new digital cash with an extended validity period. However, if your wallet is offline for an extended period of time, it may be unable to do so. Ensure your wallet is regularly online to avoid losing money due to expiration! "
18:11:28
Cindy:
better keep taler open at all times
18:11:34
Cindy:
or you will be magically broke one day
18:11:42
BlueyHealer:
Reminds me of Starlink being able to brick itself if it hasn't been connected for a while.
18:11:44
ravfx:xmr.mx:
@gan:skhron.org: afaik, most of the Natoland too yeah
18:11:51
ravfx:xmr.mx:
You need your automatic bank deposit data
18:11:59
ravfx:xmr.mx:
to get paid
18:12:10
gan:skhron.org:
imagine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makhnovist_ruble 🧌 > <Cindy> a localized payment processor
18:12:21
Cindy:
sorry, i lost all my money because i forgot to open taler for months
18:12:36
ravfx:xmr.mx:
BlueyHealer: Does it?
18:13:05
BlueyHealer:
I think I've read about this at least a few years ago, idk about now.
18:14:19
BlueyHealer:
I can't find it now though.
18:14:46
BlueyHealer:
Might've been linked to in an article on its jailbreaking?..
18:14:55
Cindy:
so it's like monero but.. not private
18:15:19
gan:skhron.org:
eh, it's nothing like Monero then
18:15:22
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Wait, Monero lost your money if you are offline for 3 months?
18:15:26
Cindy:
there's no recurring payments
18:15:35
Cindy:
so it's just monero but it expires, and its not private
18:15:46
Cindy:
and none of the benefits of fiat payment processors
18:15:50
ravfx:xmr.mx:
then how it's like monero, lol
18:15:51
Cindy:
like recurring crap
18:16:01
Cindy:
ravfx: that's the joke :P
18:16:19
ravfx:xmr.mx:
It's good the no recurring payment.
18:16:19
ravfx:xmr.mx:
I have to remember to pay for the things but at least they don't serve themself 😂
18:16:23
Cindy:
like look at this, it has a concept of outputs
18:16:29
Cindy:
"Withdrawing 5 CHF creates electronic coins with denominations of 0.04 CHF, 0.16 CHF, 0.32 CHF, 0.64 CHF, 1.28 CHF, and 2.56 CHF. Paying 3.23 CHF might then use the 0.04 CHF, 0.64 CHF and 2.56 CHF coins, resulting in a total of 3.24 CHF with 0.01 CHF returned as change. "
18:16:34
BlueyHealer:
I don't use autopayment either, that sounds risky.
18:17:28
Cindy:
"Since Taler's digital cash in your wallet is anonymized, the exchange cannot assist you in recovering a lost or stolen wallet. Just like with a physical wallet for cash, you are responsible for keeping it safe. "
18:17:33
Cindy:
okay so it's like a bank but NOT A BANK
18:17:47
Cindy:
it's the cons of a cryptocurrency mixed with the cons of fiat banking systems
18:17:58
Cindy:
you have to keep your own digital cash (that expires) safe
18:18:01
ravfx:xmr.mx:
BlueyHealer: It's good for the seller.
18:18:01
ravfx:xmr.mx:
In US it even got worst as they made it so you can force your customers to write you a letter and send it with signed mail or something like that to have hope to cancel a service
18:19:13
Cindy:
it's not private, it's not anonymous, you have to keep your money safe, you have to remember to open taler or else it'll all disappear
18:19:26
Cindy:
but remember, it's FOSS!!!
18:19:55
BlueyHealer:
Now that I think of it, I might be misremembering. I do remember it's repair- and ownership-unfriendly, might've been in the articles discussing that.
18:20:17
BlueyHealer:
Cindy | it's the cons of a cryptocurrency mixed with the cons of fiat banking systems <- so like a crypto exchange
18:20:38
Cindy:
it's a cryptocurrency with expiring money and taxes, KYC
18:20:50
Cindy:
and also, this doesn't solve the mastercard censorship problem
18:20:51
ravfx:xmr.mx:
a "stablecoin"
18:21:15
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Ahh, that's it, they want to win the stablecoin integration war for Europe or something!
18:21:21
Cindy:
a payment service provider (implementing Taler) can still freeze your account and shit if they don't approve of what you bought
18:21:34
Cindy:
sooooo.. it's even WORSE than mastercard
18:21:47
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Problem with mastercard and visa is more like a mafia
18:21:47
ravfx:xmr.mx:
They charge big fees still even in 2025 and there is no alternative because they are supported literaly everywhere
18:22:12
Cindy:
they can still charge big fees in taler
18:22:51
gan:skhron.org:
I wish Klaus Schwab would've said this > <Cindy> it's not private, it's not anonymous, you have to keep your money safe, you have to remember to open taler or else it'll all disappear
18:23:15
BlueyHealer:
ravfx, Yeah, heard of that! Especially with gyms. I don't think mine even has an autopayment option, but I have seen no reason to not pay for it in cash. I don't think they'd abuse it (as they've sometimes even made exceptions in some rules of when you "lose" a lesson or with deadlines).
18:23:15
Cindy:
it's literally mastercard with all the responsibilities offloaded to you
18:23:33
BlueyHealer:
But if I were to go to a big chain gym for some reason... No way I'm giving them card info.
18:24:52
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Why they made the money expiring.
18:24:52
ravfx:xmr.mx:
That's the biggest point..
18:24:52
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Why can't you lose your wallet in boating accident and not recover the funds once the boat get salvaged and wallet recovered?
18:25:40
ravfx:xmr.mx:
I understand the KYC scam because they all love it..
18:25:40
ravfx:xmr.mx:
But the expiring part is like the new dystopia they all want, and it's baked in 😂
18:25:44
BlueyHealer:
Yeah that's just weird
18:25:49
Cindy:
it makes no sense
18:25:56
Cindy:
also the expiration date is super short too
18:26:05
Cindy:
usually cash goes out of circulation in decades
18:26:11
Cindy:
taler cash expires in mere months
18:26:18
Cindy:
or up to a year
18:26:44
BlueyHealer:
Maybe this somehow makes the link tighter between your KYCd wallet and your funds?..
18:26:56
ravfx:xmr.mx:
What append to the euro that get converted into taller money?
18:26:56
ravfx:xmr.mx:
They can keep "lost funds" for themselve?
18:27:20
ravfx:xmr.mx:
BlueyHealer: maybe, does it also need location to work?
18:28:23
BlueyHealer:
Haven't heard of that, but it's not like I understand Taler much either.
18:28:31
Cindy:
what if you can't re-exchange your soon-to-be-expired taler cash for new ones
18:28:49
gan:skhron.org:
@ravfx:xmr.mx: Perhaps these money will go directly to fund the police in Germany, so they'd raid more tor operators? https://forum.torproject.org/t/tor-relays-artikel-5-e-v-another-police-raid-in-germany-general-assembly-on-sep-21st-2024/14533 🧌
18:29:04
ravfx:xmr.mx:
@gan:skhron.org: Yeah, could be indeed
18:29:57
Cindy:
BlueyHealer: they're doing all this for the precious EU funding
18:30:35
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Yeah, sound like to follow the euroscam plan
18:30:56
Cindy:
the EU is probably their biggest funder
18:31:02
Cindy:
and so, they'll bend over backwards for them
18:31:23
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Would explain all the scam yeah lol
18:34:28
Cindy:
GNU taler went from "private for buyer" to "sometimes the payment service provider can deanonymize the buyer"
18:34:35
Cindy:
to "the buyer is not private"
18:34:48
BlueyHealer:
wow really?
18:35:12
Cindy:
even for peer-to-peer payments, the payment service provider wants to know the identity of both parties
18:35:19
Cindy:
they say this in the FAQ
18:35:28
Cindy:
and with the upcoming KYC stuff, it'll be worse than that
18:35:39
Cindy:
they're already shoving age verification into the system
18:35:51
BlueyHealer:
Isn't it redundant with KYC?
18:36:20
Cindy:
https://docs.taler.net/design-documents/023-taler-kyc.html
18:36:23
Cindy:
https://docs.taler.net/design-documents/024-age-restriction.html
18:36:55
Cindy:
oh wait, DD 24 is old
18:37:01
Cindy:
https://docs.taler.net/design-documents/045-kyc-inheritance.html
18:37:17
Cindy:
this proposal now mixes KYC with age verification
18:37:28
Cindy:
when the old one was at least designed to be anonymous
18:38:08
Cindy:
BlueyHealer: it is, but doesn't stop them from doing it :P
18:39:10
BlueyHealer:
I just hope there would eventually be found a way to do money privately like Monero but without the energy demands :(
18:39:37
Cindy:
but who will print the money
18:40:06
Cindy:
and if this is tied to the fiat banking systems, who will actually care
18:40:24
gan:skhron.org:
BlueyHealer: we probably could just offset it with better tech
18:41:08
Cindy:
if you show a solution to them that lets their customers do money privately
18:41:20
Cindy:
they'll be like "yes, this sounds good but can you do it with the privacy/anoymity part"
18:41:25
Cindy:
without*
18:41:29
ravfx:xmr.mx:
The Energy use is like... Nothing compared to the slop machine there all wanting
18:41:51
ravfx:xmr.mx:
actual energy cost did rise at many place in ussa because of that slop generation
18:41:56
BlueyHealer:
ravfx, yeah, and the slop machine should be incinerated and never spoken of again.
18:42:10
Cindy:
at least mining monero has some benefit
18:42:15
Cindy:
and doesn't destroy jobs
18:42:40
BlueyHealer:
I mean that there is a bigger atrocity doesn't cancel the fact that crypto does have this problem. Even if right now it's kind of okay because it's the closest we got.
18:42:59
Cindy:
the slop machine has no actual benefits to people
18:43:20
Cindy:
it ruins people's livelihood, it ruins prices
18:43:37
BlueyHealer:
<ravfx:xmr.mx> actual energy cost did rise at many place in ussa because of that slop generation <- Eww, heard of that. I'm more affected by the fact that I won't be able to get RAM in the current time.
18:43:49
gan:skhron.org:
Cindy: Well, it kinda does, it reveals how much people prefer to eat shit
18:43:59
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Yeah, computer parts are going up because they are literally scamming us
18:44:15
BlueyHealer:
I just wonder how the bubble bursting would affect me, I don't understand how bubbles work very well.
18:44:31
ravfx:xmr.mx:
OpenSlop did actually buy unfinished wafers too... It's really not that they need the ram at that point, it's that they don't want us to get it at a decent price
18:44:37
BlueyHealer:
Cindy, I can only pray for the fad to die down at least.
18:44:55
Cindy:
openAI is literally burning money
18:45:06
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Money that don't exist, don't forget that
18:45:11
ravfx:xmr.mx:
OpenAI never been profitable lol
18:45:12
Cindy:
their business model is trying to get people hooked to the service
18:45:20
Cindy:
and then slowly rugpull them into a paid service
18:45:49
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Yep, And they obviously don't want people to run big MoE models at home
18:46:25
BlueyHealer:
Like.. It would be here, but there's a chance the big ones won't at least be accessible because they're not sustainable. Sure, there would still be local slop generators - but they're not as "powerful", so a lot may be dissatisfied by that. I don't expect the companies who did this to actually face consequences. I just expect their creations to eventually be gone. It's not like they're
18:46:27
BlueyHealer:
open for everyone...
18:46:34
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Because with these you don't even need openai in most usecases
18:46:54
Cindy:
they want people to outsource their critical thinking to the slop generator
18:46:58
BlueyHealer:
Cindy | openAI is literally burning money <- I love what happened with Sora 2 lol. "We made this thing that burns even more money yet we have even less idea how to monetize it".
18:47:15
Cindy:
outsource their creativity and overall brain to the slop
18:47:22
Cindy:
so they'll have much more of a reason to depend on it
18:47:26
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Cindy: That's there endgame yeah, we are heading to there eventually
18:47:35
Cindy:
hell, if they can replicate a dead loved one as a LLM
18:47:44
Cindy:
they'll do it for free... for the first few months
18:47:50
Cindy:
:P
18:47:53
BlueyHealer:
Cindy | and then slowly rugpull them into a paid service <- I've just heard that even if everyone who used it was eventually on the paid tier, the price would still be too low to pay the bills because they're so ridiculous.
18:48:56
BlueyHealer:
At least with "creativity" I don't have too much of a worry. Like, I don't write because it goes anywhere, even to AO3, or even because I'm remotely good at it. I just write because I can't not. So the concern is not creativity disappearing but rather everyone being harder to find.
18:49:05
ravfx:xmr.mx:
They arent even profitable with there paid tier
18:49:35
ravfx:xmr.mx:
each new model take exponentially more ressource to create
18:49:35
ravfx:xmr.mx:
each new model have a diminushing return compared to the previous iteration
18:50:05
ravfx:xmr.mx:
gpt2->gpt3 = revolution
18:50:05
ravfx:xmr.mx:
gpt3->gpt4 = cool
18:50:05
ravfx:xmr.mx:
gpt4->gpt5 = it suck, bring back gpt4
18:50:21
ravfx:xmr.mx:
It already injested the whole internet
18:50:22
Cindy:
each one has much more parameters
18:50:31
BlueyHealer:
Even without the creation of anything new... Just the datacenter operating bills must be astronomical.
18:50:32
Cindy:
and with much more parameters, means more hardware
18:50:38
Cindy:
if you want to actually run it performantly
18:51:01
ravfx:xmr.mx:
yeah, it's the deadloop of infinite ressource need
18:51:22
Cindy:
GPT2 is at least good for one thing
18:51:32
Cindy:
making a tarpit for AI scrapers
18:51:53
BlueyHealer:
<ravfx:xmr.mx> It already injested the whole internet <- i at least have hope it may go the way of the Habsburgs. I think there's been evidence that they do indeed ingest other slop...
18:52:28
Cindy:
GPT-2 is more coherent than a LSTM
18:52:32
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Yeah, slop is injesting slop now, they try to filter it out but it's going to be less easy with time
18:52:40
Cindy:
i can use it to make texts that make a lot of sense... but is just fluff
18:52:45
Cindy:
so they can ingest it :P
18:52:48
BlueyHealer:
BTW can a company go back to a previous "snapshot" of an older model?..
18:52:53
ravfx:xmr.mx:
It's like shit SEO on the web now and how search engine are getting shit
18:52:55
Cindy:
BlueyHealer: yes
18:53:14
Cindy:
i'm sure they have backups of their weights
18:53:18
BlueyHealer:
ravfx, but the slop detectors themselves rely on machine learning so they're guaranteed to be imprecise
18:53:20
ravfx:xmr.mx:
yeah, for sure
18:53:34
BlueyHealer:
Yeah, that's really sad
18:53:50
ravfx:xmr.mx:
BlueyHealer: Yep and with time the slop is getting better too so harder to detect (hopefully so they can absorb more of it)
18:54:57
BlueyHealer:
So the only hope is the big cloud ones ceasing to be available to the public. But that makes me concerned the competitors (like Chinese ones) may remain for a bit longer because the powers supporting them are more tolerant of financially bleeding out...
18:55:33
Cindy:
so what are they gonna do if they detect the text on your site is AI-generated
18:55:41
Cindy:
like blacklist it? it would be a net-positive if they did
18:56:21
ravfx:xmr.mx:
YEah, could be used to prevent scrapper from scrapping your shit.
18:56:21
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Assuming to don't parse it all out to still absorb the real stuff
18:57:01
Cindy:
i wanted to train a LSTM or GPT-2 model on what i wrote
18:57:08
Cindy:
and use it as a tarpit
18:57:15
BlueyHealer:
What I really want is to learn how to find good music. I am paranoid every time I see an unfamiliar name on a playlist. Sure, I don't use algorithmic playlists, but the users could have easily been fooled.
18:57:24
Cindy:
i wanted to sound like how i'd write, but really, it's just fluff text in disguise
18:57:29
Cindy:
slop text*
19:00:09
BlueyHealer:
I am now really starting to feel like my writing can be mistaken for an LLM's as it's pretty formal. But I don't know how to improve. I just write a lot, often rewriting the same parts over and over, so I can only hope it eventually happens.
19:00:16
BlueyHealer:
if only drawing was as easy
19:18:17
hooftly:matrix.org:
Github actions is going to charge for self hosted runners now lol. Time to move
19:18:37
Cindy:
what, charge for runners that they don't fucking maintain?
19:21:01
hooftly:matrix.org:
Yup im pissed I just set up MacOS Shitdows and Linux runners too
19:32:55
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
@hooftly:matrix.org: For public / foss repos? I thought they only charge for private stuff
19:34:38
Cindy:
they should not charge for self-hosted runners
19:34:42
Cindy:
since they don't host it
19:34:51
hooftly:matrix.org:
2000 min per month only after that its $$$
19:34:58
Cindy:
all they do is send commands to your runner
19:35:17
hooftly:matrix.org:
2000 min is easy to hit if CI take 30 Min each push
19:35:37
Cindy:
why are they metering YOUR CI
19:35:42
Cindy:
when they don't own it
19:35:59
hooftly:matrix.org:
Cindy: I agree. Fuckers
19:36:38
Cindy:
they are literally charging for the ability for github to trigger a CI job on your own runner
19:36:46
Cindy:
which btw, takes no resources for them at scale
19:37:09
hooftly:matrix.org:
No no but its an "integration" cost
19:37:18
hooftly:matrix.org:
Ugh
19:39:44
Cindy:
https://resources.github.com/actions/2026-pricing-changes-for-github-actions/
19:39:50
Cindy:
you were not fucking joking, holy shit
19:40:13
Cindy:
M$ is really enshittifying github
19:40:42
hooftly:matrix.org:
Yeah I got the email this morning and the chucklefucks frame it as YOU WILL SAVE... (unless you self host sorry)
19:41:02
Cindy:
"Jobs that run in private repositories and use standard GitHub-hosted or self-hosted runners "
19:41:07
Cindy:
"Any jobs running on larger GitHub-hosted runners"
19:41:45
Cindy:
that's fucking dumb, if i self-host my own runner and use it with a private repo
19:41:49
Cindy:
i don't expect a bill from github
19:41:50
gan:skhron.org:
That has been happening for ages, considering that they require registration to even download the CI artifact for example > <Cindy> M$ is really enshittifying github
19:42:07
Cindy:
are they trying to get people to self-host their own git forge now?
19:42:13
Cindy:
or switch away from github to host their private repos
19:42:53
hooftly:matrix.org:
yes but what they arent saying is even after 2000 M on a public repo a self hosted runner will incur charges or not work unless im reading bewtween the lines wrong
19:43:59
hooftly:matrix.org:
Or is 2000 min for private only maybe im over reacting lol
19:44:29
Cindy:
"We are introducing a $0.002 per-minute Actions cloud platform charge for all Actions workflows across GitHub-hosted and self-hosted runners. The new listed GitHub-runner rates include this charge. This will not impact Actions usage in public repositories or GitHub Enterprise Server customers. "
19:44:37
Cindy:
"This will impact self-hosted runner pricing starting March 1, 2026."
19:44:47
Cindy:
okay sooo i'm confused
19:44:58
hooftly:matrix.org:
Me too
19:44:58
Cindy:
will it only impact github runners, or self-hosted runners too
19:45:53
hooftly:matrix.org:
Either way its dumb lol
19:46:22
Cindy:
charging you for using a self-hosted runner, dumb shit
19:46:42
Cindy:
well thank you github
19:46:55
Cindy:
you encouraged me to also self-host forgejo, not just a runner
19:47:16
hooftly:matrix.org:
Honestly probably gonna look at a gitlab instance
19:47:36
hooftly:matrix.org:
Pain in the ass tho ugh
19:47:50
Cindy:
forgejo is easier to host
19:47:59
Cindy:
also doesn't have the licensing complications that gitlab has
19:48:27
hooftly:matrix.org:
how is it for CI integration?
19:48:32
BlueyHealer:
I don't like how on Gitlab, certain pages are just blank unless you enable Javascript :( IMO this shouldn't happen for normal text.
19:48:41
BlueyHealer:
Also, what licensing complications?
19:48:43
Cindy:
forgejo has pretty easy CI integration too
19:48:46
hooftly:matrix.org:
Ill look into it
19:49:02
Cindy:
look at codeberg for example, the runner is a docker image
19:49:10
Cindy:
they let you use a self-hosted runner
19:49:20
Cindy:
which i get, github has one too
19:50:04
hooftly:matrix.org:
Thanks ill do some research
19:51:05
Cindy:
BlueyHealer: gitlab has a community edition and enterprise edition
19:52:14
Cindy:
also btw, forgejo is supposed to be familiar to github users, and also has great no-JS support
19:52:57
BlueyHealer:
NICE
19:53:15
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
"Standard GitHub-hosted or self-hosted runner usage on public repositories will remain free."
19:53:42
Cindy:
ofrnxmr: they're charging for using a self-hosted runner on a private repo
19:54:01
Cindy:
which shouldn't affect them as much
19:54:03
hooftly:matrix.org:
Ok I over reacted but I do use private repos still annoying
19:54:47
Cindy:
it's still enshittification
19:54:50
Cindy:
because of that
19:56:18
BlueyHealer:
As we mentioned prior - can't wait for MS and Github accounts to be merged.
19:56:45
BlueyHealer:
On a related note - what was the downside of a Microsoft account compared to a Mojang one when it came to Minecraft?
19:56:58
BlueyHealer:
only ever played pirated Minecraft
19:57:12
hooftly:matrix.org:
Java vs bedrock?
19:57:27
Cindy:
BlueyHealer: nothing
19:57:44
Cindy:
bedrock sucks, it's literally the mobile game version of minecraft
19:58:01
Cindy:
and i mean that by the amount of obvious dark patterns and microtransactions
19:58:20
hooftly:matrix.org:
Right but microsoft account only supports bedrock I thoight
19:58:33
Cindy:
nah, bedrock and java
19:58:50
hooftly:matrix.org:
Ok well nevermind haha
19:59:17
BlueyHealer:
Bedrock doesn't count. Never tried it. I think it wasn't even out by the time my Minecraft phase was over.
19:59:45
BlueyHealer:
Also yeah, it's hilarious how you have an option to pay for a skin when you can, y'know, just use whatever you want))
20:00:06
Cindy:
you should see the latest update on bedrock
20:00:22
Cindy:
in the pause menu, they swapped places with the settings button and marketplace button
20:00:27
BlueyHealer:
I've watched a video from a Youtuber trying it for the first time and he and his friends were just roasting it the entire time.
20:00:44
BlueyHealer:
Doesn't the pause menu outright not pause the game there?
20:00:56
BlueyHealer:
Cindy, ooh that's devious
20:00:56
Cindy:
when someone joins, no
20:01:25
BlueyHealer:
I assumed that was an issue in singleplayer too... Maybe misunderstood?
20:02:09
Cindy:
singleplayer is just multiplayer
20:02:20
Cindy:
they did the same shit with the new CoD game
20:02:39
Cindy:
you can't even pause in the latest CoD game anymore, because it's just "multiplayer" now
20:02:44
BlueyHealer:
lol
20:02:56
Cindy:
even during single-player campaign
20:03:05
Cindy:
because guess what, it's not actually single-player, people can join in on you
20:03:36
BlueyHealer:
So the main issue with a MS account now is that people lost their legitimate purchases when migrating? Or it requires some extra data or something?
20:04:03
Cindy:
the main issue is that if you didn't want to move to a MS account, they'll tell you to go fuck yourself
20:04:21
Cindy:
and that copy of minecraft you bought is useless
20:04:55
Cindy:
oh imagine if you just forgot to play minecraft one day and didn't get the announcement
20:04:59
BlueyHealer:
Yeah, that's what I mentioned (along with the fact that some people just couldn't transfer their copies even if they wanted to, like by losing their childhood email).
20:05:05
Cindy:
well you'll come back to no account
20:05:12
Cindy:
and no licensed copy of minecraft
20:05:27
BlueyHealer:
I was specifically asking about what would be the reasons not to want to move (aside from, y'know, just principle)&
20:05:29
BlueyHealer:
?
20:05:35
hooftly:matrix.org:
That would suck
20:06:36
Cindy:
BlueyHealer: the burden of what comes with a MS account
20:07:20
BlueyHealer:
Yeah - what burden is there? Also, if on Windows - does the whole OS have to be logged into the same account? And Linux?
20:08:07
Cindy:
i think i remember there were some issues that stopped people from migrating
20:08:17
Cindy:
like their email being unverified
20:08:20
Cindy:
i don't remember
20:09:16
BlueyHealer:
Yeah, I mean beside this point. I mentioned it before.