02:43:44
normie63:matrix.org:
https://x.com/disclosetv/status/2020875244223815801
02:44:05
normie63:matrix.org:
lotsa discord users gunna come to element
04:45:05
BlueyHea-:
I really don't like when Matrix and Element get used interchangeably because it's not like Element is good on desktop anyway))
05:06:17
BoBeR182_:
Matrix network, Element client
05:08:46
BlueyHealer:
Exactly, that's why it makes me cringe.
05:18:33
normie63:matrix.org:
they should have called it matrix client avoiding confusion
05:20:15
BlueyHealer:
Why so? Because then it'd kinda make the impression it's THE Matrix client.
05:22:43
gan:skhron.org:
@normie63:matrix.org: Dumbing down tech gonna leave us with the same shittery in the end
05:23:25
gan:skhron.org:
People actually need to finally grow up and maybe reuse the knowledge gained from using email
05:23:26
BoBeR182_:
they do pretend it's THE matrix client, since it is developed by the same Matrix team IIRC
05:23:39
BoBeR182_:
and alternative clients are 3rd party
05:23:48
gan:skhron.org:
They don't
05:23:53
BlueyHealer:
Yeah, I get it, I still mean it's frustrating that the protocol is referred to as such as well.
05:24:06
gan:skhron.org:
I'd like to see where they do "pretend"
05:24:33
BlueyHealer:
Element isn't even usable on a PC! Last time I tried it, it spiked my CPU. So not only is it Electron, it's performing noticeably worse than the other couple electron apps I have!
05:24:34
gan:skhron.org:
eh, fuck, never mind, you was talking about the unwashed than morg team itself
05:26:16
BoBeR182_:
https://element.io/en/matrix-benefits
05:26:23
BoBeR182_:
The creators of Matrix also lead Element.
05:26:23
BoBeR182_:
Matthew and Amandine, and the team around them, are the driving force behind a new era of secure and open communication.
05:27:34
BlueyHealer:
I mean I get it, it just doesn't make the platform "Element"
05:31:32
gan:skhron.org:
I mean, that's element.io and not matrix.org
05:32:18
gan:skhron.org:
Morg itself shows other clients beside Element on a try-out page
05:32:49
gan:skhron.org:
and the article on element.io also mentions the fact that there's other clients too
05:37:47
zombie:catgirl.cloud:
XMR to 1k soon
05:38:17
BlueyHealer:
wtf is this homeserver domain
05:40:02
gan:skhron.org:
which one? catgirl.cloud?
05:40:59
BlueyHealer:
ye
05:41:20
gan:skhron.org:
a normal one? wait until you'd see foxgirl.cloud
05:49:11
BlueyHealer:
I'm afraid to search that. Either way, they seem to be on par in absolute weirdness.
05:59:40
munching:unredacted.org:
@zombie:catgirl.cloud: a fellow girl??
05:59:49
munching:unredacted.org:
let’s be friends
07:08:06
ufo808:matrix.org:
@munching:unredacted.org: There is 0% female participants in this chat
07:19:56
ret2pop:matrix.nullring.xyz:
@ufo808:matrix.org: It's not wise to so bluntly inform them of what they already know deep down
07:32:16
munching:unredacted.org:
@ufo808:matrix.org: then did i grow a dih😔
07:32:27
munching:unredacted.org:
@ret2pop:matrix.nullring.xyz: MAN
07:32:39
munching:unredacted.org:
i don’t have a benis
07:34:32
gan:skhron.org:
Mates, this is the main room, perhaps such discussion is more related to offtopic 🧌
07:36:47
munching:unredacted.org:
you’re correct, i apologize
07:37:00
munching:unredacted.org:
i let my excitement get the best of me
07:37:40
BlueyHealer:
Also it's sad to see sexists here
07:46:08
munching:unredacted.org:
who is sexist?
07:47:39
BlueyHealer:
"<ufo808:matrix.org> @munching:unredacted.org: There is 0% female participants in this chat"
07:52:42
munching:unredacted.org:
well, it is a male dominated field. i don’t think you’re supposed to take it in a harsh way
07:52:50
munching:unredacted.org:
that’s why i was like YAY a girl
07:53:10
munching:unredacted.org:
i’m sure they know girls are very competent and smart too
07:53:36
munching:unredacted.org:
and also let’s not use this chat to chitchat
07:56:05
pyratevevo:matrix.org:
BlueyHea-: Is there a better client on desktop ?
08:12:05
BlueyHealer:
Nheko or Cinny seemed better in my experience.
08:12:29
BlueyHealer:
munching, I get it, but mockery is kinda gross still
08:23:17
monerobull:matrix.org:
so whats the verdict on vibecoding
08:23:31
monerobull:matrix.org:
do we want people to use vibecoded escrow systems where the dev even writes his reddit comments with chatgpt?
08:29:05
BlueyHealer:
yes
08:29:32
BlueyHealer:
we need entertainment, and news poscasters need to eat
08:48:41
intr:unredacted.org:
@monerobull:matrix.org: https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/unredacted.org/RTxpiqGIgiVnyOLVIPIlHkbO.png (clipboard.png)
08:48:45
intr:unredacted.org:
bad news
08:48:53
intr:unredacted.org:
thus spake Grok
08:49:26
monerobull:matrix.org:
imagine using reasoning mode to get a one word answer
08:49:31
intr:unredacted.org:
:^)
08:49:38
intr:unredacted.org:
it makes the AI even more AI
08:50:20
monerobull:matrix.org:
one day ill build an ai rack
08:50:38
monerobull:matrix.org:
and ill unleash a thousand agents onto the web
08:51:13
monerobull:matrix.org:
and they will run 24/7 with no limits to their output
08:51:42
intr:unredacted.org:
and their verdict will be: cringe
08:52:41
gan:skhron.org:
@intr:unredacted.org: We know trash, we know clean don't last, never last when we load trash, we upload trash, trash begets trash
08:52:57
gan:skhron.org:
🧌
08:55:12
intr:unredacted.org:
@gork is this true
08:56:21
ret2pop:matrix.nullring.xyz:
why does this chat always devolve into brainrot despite attempts to self moderate
08:56:35
intr:unredacted.org:
lmao
13:30:08
Bunnyh:
does the Element client support voice chats in Matrix?
13:30:40
Bunnyh:
also one super common discord use cases seems to be the easy game streams. that will be hard to replace
13:31:03
Bunnyh:
or even watching a movie someone streams
13:31:16
BlueyHealer:
Yeah, game streams I still don't know. I'd prefer Mumble for voice anyway, but not figured out shared streams.
13:32:26
Bunnyh:
mumble still has the same issue when someone insists on using microphone, voice activaction and speakers (yeah these guys exist...) - in discord it kinda works (not perfectly, but much better)
13:32:40
Bunnyh:
that is why I myself initially moved to discord from mumble over a decade ago, and it still holds.
13:33:09
BlueyHealer:
Oh yeah, that echo!
13:33:36
BlueyHealer:
I still don't know how to get rid of the echo when not using headphones.
13:33:56
Bunnyh:
it's logically a super hard task, discord just does some magic tricks there
13:34:23
Bunnyh:
but that magic can't be worth this
13:35:35
Bunnyh:
Jellyfin works fine for sharing videos, I have my own server and a Mattermost server for chatting, though everyone uses discord for now it's just for my own family at this point basically
13:35:55
Bunnyh:
but I noticed the chatbot I wrote for Mattermost could be trivially generalised to work in discord as well in a single day when I finally tried
13:35:59
Bunnyh:
they are really similar in that sense
13:37:09
Bunnyh:
Teams=Servers, Channels=Channels, Threads=Threads but in discord they have some small quirks compared to mattermost
13:37:32
BlueyHealer:
Ah, Jellyfin works for simultaneous viewing? Nice.
13:37:39
Bunnyh:
yes it has the group view feature
13:37:46
Bunnyh:
tested and it keeps us within 1-2s
13:37:51
BlueyHealer:
Does it only work for prerecorded videos you play, or you can stream gameplay too?
13:38:02
Bunnyh:
no for gameplay you need something else then
13:38:09
BlueyHealer:
ah
13:39:09
Bunnyh:
doesn't steam have some broadcasting feature? nobody uses it
13:39:18
Bunnyh:
gabe should just corner the market here :D
13:40:08
BlueyHealer:
Would that work for non-Steam games, though? Also yeah never seen it used
13:40:15
Bunnyh:
you can add non-steam games to steam
13:40:58
Bunnyh:
even some pirated games apparently work that way in steam, though I didnt have the courage to try with my ~200 game account if europa univeralsis v cracked version really would work in steam playing multiplayer as the NFO claims ...
13:44:04
BlueyHealer:
For pirated games - yeah, I know, that's sometimes the easiest way to make them work on Linux. I guess the same goes for GOG games, but wonder about games from other launchers.
13:44:55
gan:skhron.org:
offtopic, but there exist foss "pirate" launchers for linux, that's just one-click stuff for the most part
16:34:13
nyxes:matrix.org:
@intr:unredacted.org: 😭
16:34:48
nyxes:matrix.org:
with the age verification coming next month, im off that shit lol > <Bunnyh> also one super common discord use cases seems to be the easy game streams. that will be hard to replace
16:35:10
nyxes:matrix.org:
went from a gaming thing to a social net to a tracking system. saddest shit ever
16:35:40
nyxes:matrix.org:
another platform will pop up and be just as useful. just gotta give it time
16:36:43
BlueyHealer:
Most importantly, it also went to a knowledge base and support center!
16:36:49
nyxes:matrix.org:
things r about to get nuts w mass surveillance here and them wanting to now map everything to our strawmen so nobody can use repudiation in court while they exclude themselves which just pushes way more corruption in the branches
16:37:21
nyxes:matrix.org:
BlueyHealer: yea.. idk whos making the choices up top but they're dumb af
16:38:24
BlueyHealer:
I've come across that with mods! The support on a particular issue was not on the NexusMods page, but in the modding Discord :/
16:39:07
nyxes:matrix.org:
BlueyHealer: lol ew
16:39:24
nyxes:matrix.org:
trust me, something better is coming bc ppl who gaf about their privacy are not about to have that
16:39:47
nyxes:matrix.org:
im all for normalizing IRC chats and forums again😭
16:42:35
gan:skhron.org:
Allo, Discord was literally created by a spyware company > <@nyxes:matrix.org> went from a gaming thing to a social net to a tracking system. saddest shit ever
16:42:36
gan:skhron.org:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenFeint they just returned to what they've started with
16:42:37
intr:unredacted.org:
"The Discord of Discord" is a fantastic writeup on the shady nature & history around discord
16:42:52
intr:unredacted.org:
http://shystudios.us/blog/discord/discord.html
16:42:52
intr:unredacted.org:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=7nTU6Jh5qbI
16:43:15
intr:unredacted.org:
oh no, his blog is gone
16:43:45
gan:skhron.org:
@intr:unredacted.org: no-HTTPs in 2026 🥀
16:43:45
intr:unredacted.org:
indeed, very minimal website it was
16:43:51
intr:unredacted.org:
https://web.archive.org/web/20260104185952/http://shystudios.us/blog/discord/discord.html
16:44:30
BlueyHealer:
nyxes, to be fair, I don't want IRC to be support either. It needs to be forums so that the question isn't repeated over and over.
16:47:28
intr:unredacted.org:
100%
17:18:53
BlueyHealer:
I also find this interesting how systems like that go from "lowest friction" to "high friction" at a flip of a switch. Like Signal - one second it's the easiest to onboard people from Whatsapp and Telegram. Then the crrier blocks the SMS and now, having to rent a number and bother to keep the account in this scenario... Matrix doesn't sound as unappealing anymore.
17:28:52
kiersten5821:matrix.org:
discord was always plaintext mass surveillance tool > <@nyxes:matrix.org> things r about to get nuts w mass surveillance here and them wanting to now map everything to our strawmen so nobody can use repudiation in court while they exclude themselves which just pushes way more corruption in the branches
17:30:06
kiersten5821:matrix.org:
BlueyHealer: which carrier, never had this
17:44:44
BlueyHealer:
All of them, that was a global order. Although not heard as much about Signal (just seen a few messages on their forums), the much bigger news was this happening with Telegram and Whatsapp, so Signal being a victim too would be logical.
17:55:27
ripening:unredacted.org:
is there a normal GUI for working with JoinMarket? Is there any liquidity there now?
18:49:49
kiersten5821:matrix.org:
BlueyHealer: this does not pass a basic reasoning check, it would have been newsworthy if new registrations on these apps were blocked globally, and there's no news on this
18:52:37
sech1:
He meant mobile carriers in Russia
19:02:42
BlueyHealer:
Yeah, it is a local event. But it has happened, and, to my knowledge, in more than one place (iirc Iran was a precedent before).
19:02:52
BlueyHealer:
Point was how fragile the "simplicity" is.
19:13:06
kiersten5821:matrix.org:
then why did you say "all of them, that was a global order" 😩 very misleading
19:29:17
BlueyHealer:
Fair, could have worded more exactly.
19:29:58
kiersten5821:matrix.org:
it's a little funny that in a different blog this guy is hating on to r and in the meantime his own website doesn't have https > <@intr:unredacted.org> http://shystudios.us/blog/discord/discord.html
19:30:12
kiersten5821:matrix.org:
credibility very low
19:32:10
intr:unredacted.org:
oh, you value security? name all securities
19:34:37
BlueyHealer:
John Security
19:35:13
kiersten5821:matrix.org:
skill issue
20:27:03
blubberblubsa:unredacted.org:
Wanna buy some more Moneros. Been a while since last time, back before Kraken went soy. Where do you people buy XMR?
20:48:08
0x0ki:matrix.org:
@blubberblubsa:unredacted.org: i just buy any crypto on localcoinswap and then exchange to monero
20:52:46
pyratevevo:matrix.org:
To bring this back on topic: guess what alternative currency thrives in such scenario ? > <@nyxes:matrix.org> things r about to get nuts w mass surveillance here and them wanting to now map everything to our strawmen so nobody can use repudiation in court while they exclude themselves which just pushes way more corruption in the branches
20:54:26
pyratevevo:matrix.org:
Re: discord alternatives. I've looked hard on this issue for years, and the closest alternative currently is TeamSpeak6, which is sort of there but still has a way to go.
20:54:26
pyratevevo:matrix.org:
Then followed by Matrix.
20:54:26
pyratevevo:matrix.org:
I think Slack can also work but has worse streaming feature (?)
20:58:32
blubberblubsa:unredacted.org:
@pyratevevo:matrix.org: Zcash?
21:02:45
pyratevevo:matrix.org:
@0x0ki:matrix.org: This websites looks as sketchy as OpenMonero..
21:48:34
nyxes:matrix.org:
@pyratevevo:matrix.org: slack is definitely a no go 🤣
21:50:02
nyxes:matrix.org:
@blubberblubsa:unredacted.org: cake wallet or monero wallet itself
21:50:44
nyxes:matrix.org:
in terms of how you load up or should acquire some is based off your threat model
21:51:50
nyxes:matrix.org:
@munching:unredacted.org: not sure why the room was bugging. try again
21:53:20
pyratevevo:matrix.org:
I'd prefer open source alternatives as well. > <@nyxes:matrix.org> slack is definitely a no go 🤣
21:53:52
nyxes:matrix.org:
well, you're on one rn, thats for certain
21:54:18
nyxes:matrix.org:
i just know a lot of normies arent going to vibe with this stuff
21:55:03
pyratevevo:matrix.org:
Not really the discord replacement last time I tested it.
21:55:21
pyratevevo:matrix.org:
Voice chat and screen sharing are inadequate.
21:56:37
pyratevevo:matrix.org:
Also I don't necessarily like Matrix either, but it's admittedly the next best thing for communities.
22:14:27
nyxes:matrix.org:
yep, we're awaiting the next best thing
22:17:51
nyxes:matrix.org:
cake wallet > <@pyratevevo:matrix.org> This websites looks as sketchy as OpenMonero..
22:18:40
nyxes:matrix.org:
@nyxes:matrix.org: hope ur running linux or GOS
22:18:57
nyxes:matrix.org:
@blubberblubsa:unredacted.org: but yeah like i said, how you trade ur fiat is based on ur threat model
22:19:14
nyxes:matrix.org:
@nyxes:matrix.org: u could have a friend who has cash app send u btc in exchange for usd
22:23:01
blubberblubsa:unredacted.org:
I don't care too much about the threat level here. It's tax free after a few years anyway, so convenient fiat-to-XMR would be the main priority. > <@nyxes:matrix.org> cake wallet or monero wallet itself
22:23:37
nioc:
hmmm, the next big thing :)
22:25:55
blubberblubsa:unredacted.org:
@pyratevevo:matrix.org: SimpleX is pretty good, and more private.
22:28:51
blubberblubsa:unredacted.org:
@nyxes:matrix.org: I have BTC, but fiat services like Cake Wallet seem to charge quite high fees. Besides, I'd prefer direcely from fiat, else I'll have to purchase BTC every time I buy XMR... somewhat of a hassle.
22:30:06
nioc:
Cake uses swap services and adds a fee on top of the swap service fee
22:30:20
nioc:
you can use a swap service directly
22:30:56
nioc:
there are swap aggregators so you can compare rates
22:31:54
blubberblubsa:unredacted.org:
Were they ever able to make atomic swap work?
22:32:24
nioc:
there ar e atomic swaps as well
22:33:11
blubberblubsa:unredacted.org:
Any links to a great atomic swap guide?
22:33:41
nioc:
probably easy to get dirty btc more than monero :)
22:34:08
nioc:
don't know of a guide off hand
22:34:39
nioc:
I think the 2 are unstoppable swap and basic swapdex
22:34:50
nioc:
each has certain limitations
22:34:51
kiersten5821:matrix.org:
@pyratevevo:matrix.org: the matrix ux is terrible, it takes 20 seconds just to load historical messages when i open a room
22:34:56
blubberblubsa:unredacted.org:
AS also wouldn't be useful for fiat-to-XMR anyway.
22:35:52
nioc:
for fiat to xmr there is the haveno protocol on retpswap
22:36:14
nioc:
I have not used any of these
22:36:38
blubberblubsa:unredacted.org:
nioc: I'll look into that, thanks.
22:38:16
nioc:
blubberblubsa there is a haveno irc and matrix channel
22:38:26
nioc:
they also have simpleX
23:06:35
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
@blubberblubsa:unredacted.org: you don't really need a guide
23:07:05
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
actually, that depends if youre acting as a maker or taker
23:08:18
pyratevevo:matrix.org:
SimpleX is an instant messenger, not a collaboration/teams service. > <@blubberblubsa:unredacted.org> SimpleX is pretty good, and more private.
23:30:17
onlydrako:matrix.org:
sup