02:13:35
j_0t:matrix.org:
HI everyone, I am searching for a visual tutorial to create my own Monero miner, do you have any information to share?
02:19:37
shortwavesurfer2009:
WTB 4,350 Tari (XTM) for 21.92mXMR (0.02192 XMR)
02:24:55
thelastmonero:matrix.org:
@j_0t:matrix.org: I would love to help you out. There are some great pc build guides out there. I haven't watched this dudes content, but this video seems to be adequate after a skim. However, how you approach software is up to you. I have Arch usbs with the software my miners need preloaded.
02:24:55
thelastmonero:matrix.org:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KfCfJxE8BE&t=1284
02:25:50
thelastmonero:matrix.org:
@shortwavesurfer2009: This may just be me loudly displaying my ignorance, but what does this mean?
02:27:01
shortwavesurfer2009:
@thelastmonero:matrix.org: Tari is a cryptocurrency that has merged mine with Monero. It will have scripting and smart contracts similar to Ethereum.
02:27:46
thelastmonero:matrix.org:
@shortwavesurfer2009: Thank you very much for explaining!
02:28:40
j_0t:matrix.org:
@thelastmonero:matrix.org: Thank you, let me check this tutorial, my plan is to create a support ecosystem to add more independence to the miner, I thought on add mesh networks to avoid internet shutdown issues.
02:31:29
thelastmonero:matrix.org:
Hey I am all game for something to help me with internet issues! Just moved a bit ago and my ISP has been having some intermittent drops. Definitely not a satisfied customer 😅
02:34:31
j_0t:matrix.org:
@thelastmonero:matrix.org: Yeah, let me check for more details, maybe I would share a document with the requirements and process.
02:47:21
shortwavesurfer2009:
@shortwavesurfer2009: Nvm, exolix has it
06:09:05
BlueyHealer:
Cindy_, I understand why Steam doesn't accept it, but it would have been SO AWESOME.
06:10:04
BlueyHealer:
I think on some services people here use to fill Steam, crypto is accepted. And I know some item marketplaces have it as an option, so one could buy an item there, sell it and fill Steam this way.
09:16:08
datahoarder:
@j_0t:matrix.org: https://github.com/SChernykh/p2pool
09:16:33
datahoarder:
Sadly you still need internet to be able to send/receive Monero blocks (so you can make new current tasks)
09:16:44
datahoarder:
but this you can run fully on your own, distributed, even via Tor
10:06:23
angled:matrix.angled.rip:
could technically make it a mesh via meshtastic though, you could have one computer on an internet connection 100 miles away from the other and be able to transfer new blocks still
10:06:37
angled:matrix.angled.rip:
or maybe I'm tripping
10:07:26
angled:matrix.angled.rip:
probably tripping
10:16:35
imprevisto:matrix.org:
you are tripping
10:17:33
DataHoarder:
you need to receive new monero blocks AND verify them
10:17:39
DataHoarder:
to be able to mine :)
10:17:42
imprevisto:matrix.org:
(tbh joking, idk about meshtastic)
10:17:44
DataHoarder:
including transactions
10:17:59
DataHoarder:
meshtastic levels of telemetry won't be able to catch up
10:21:00
BlueyHealer:
Maybe Reticulum could handle that? It's way more flexible.
10:23:48
DataHoarder:
is it using LoRa?
10:23:56
DataHoarder:
if so, no, it does not have the bandwidth
10:25:16
DataHoarder:
0.3-27 kbps on best conditions, single one, ensuring you don't hit the 10 or 20% duty cycle too
10:25:33
DataHoarder:
as soon as multi-hop is involved the whole airtime is killed
10:26:23
BlueyHealer:
I think it's not limited to Lora, but may be mistaken.
10:26:26
DataHoarder:
one block (they come every two minutes) would take several hours to sync up
10:26:39
DataHoarder:
if it can use BT p2p sure, but that's very short range
10:26:56
DataHoarder:
but at that point you are just building an IP net
10:29:13
BlueyHealer:
Looked it up and it is apparently more versatile than just that: https://reticulum.network/manual/hardware.html
10:29:43
DataHoarder:
all of that looks lora based :D
10:29:56
DataHoarder:
and point to point wi-fi links
10:30:23
BlueyHealer:
Yeah but I guess that's the base.
10:30:33
DataHoarder:
but yeah. going outside of things that are either low bandwidth/power/wide area or high bandwidth/point-2-point requires ham radio license
10:31:01
BlueyHealer:
TBH I've not even looked at Meshtastic that much, I just see this one mentioned alongside it quite a bit and know it can work over pretty much anything/
10:31:26
DataHoarder:
it's also lora. bandwidth limits come from how it must transmit data
10:31:38
DataHoarder:
if you ignore txs entirely it'd still take a bit to sync up this and lose most block races
10:31:48
DataHoarder:
plus you help monero nothing mining empty blocks
10:31:50
BlueyHealer:
True
10:32:18
DataHoarder:
you want something like https://blockstream.com/satellite/ lol
10:32:34
DataHoarder:
high bandwidth down, and telemetry levels up (when you find a block)
10:32:36
BlueyHealer:
Also, I don't think it can work over HAM radio - it's technically possible, but encryption on HAM radio is not allowed and this one has encryption deeply baked-in.
10:32:45
DataHoarder:
not specifically
10:32:57
BlueyHealer:
So yeah, in practice probably wi-fi and such
10:32:58
DataHoarder:
monero data is as-is
10:33:00
DataHoarder:
you are handling the data in public
10:33:09
DataHoarder:
https IS allowed in ham
10:33:30
DataHoarder:
but what you are not allowed is make a C&C system that is encrypted
10:33:31
BlueyHealer:
But you're transmitting that data encrypted just because it's baked into the Reticulum protocol.
10:33:32
DataHoarder:
it can be signed, though
10:33:46
DataHoarder:
yeah when you have ham radio stuff there are better protocols
10:34:03
DataHoarder:
and packet based radio
10:34:15
DataHoarder:
meshtastic also has that ham mode, where it stops encrypting and just signs
10:34:26
BlueyHealer:
To an outside observer, it's impossible to see that it actually is public block data though. So how is that any different?
10:34:36
BlueyHealer:
Didn't know that about Meshtastic!
10:34:42
DataHoarder:
also https://blockstream.com/satellite-queue/ :D
10:34:57
BlueyHealer:
omg it does. COOL.
10:35:27
DataHoarder:
it is BlueyHealer if you tag/identify the data
10:36:14
BlueyHealer:
Yeah, but it would still be encrypted. How would an observer verify that the tags didn't just lie? And not sure there even is such a capability in Reticulum, I think there are unencrypted bits but they're pretty specific.
10:37:03
BlueyHealer:
I mostly know Reticulum from being less restricted in what type of data you can transmit inside.
10:38:10
DataHoarder:
https://github.com/markqvist/Reticulum/discussions/399
10:38:45
DataHoarder:
https://meshtastic.org/docs/configuration/radio/user/#is-licensed-ham
10:39:01
BlueyHealer:
I'll give that a read!
10:39:18
BlueyHealer:
and yeah, the last one I just looked up, had no idea they had this!
10:39:26
DataHoarder:
doesn't matter BlueyHealer by the point you are doing mesh via point to point wifi for bandwidth there are better options
10:39:36
DataHoarder:
if you do ham packet radio
10:39:44
DataHoarder:
you can literally bounce of satellites today
10:39:59
DataHoarder:
or hit relays in orbit
10:40:16
BlueyHealer:
Can you do this with power allowed for non-licenced people?
10:40:28
DataHoarder:
?
10:40:32
DataHoarder:
you must be ham lol
10:40:38
DataHoarder:
you are using ham frequencies
10:40:44
DataHoarder:
it's not about power
10:41:24
imprevisto:matrix.org:
you can do Reticulum over ip or whatever
10:41:28
DataHoarder:
^
10:41:30
BlueyHealer:
Ok I was thinking about something else.
10:41:34
DataHoarder:
at that point it's an ip net
10:41:49
DataHoarder:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_radio_satellite#Past_launches
10:42:10
DataHoarder:
OSCAR = Orbiting Satellite Carrying Amateur Radio
10:42:39
DataHoarder:
https://www.amsat.org/status/
10:42:50
BlueyHealer:
DataHoarder | if you do ham packet radio <- I was thinking specifically about using Meshtastic as an amateur - so participating in a network of non-amateurs. So no, with those ones, you can't just use an amateur band and all those cool stuff.
10:43:00
DataHoarder:
"so participating in a network of non-amateurs."
10:43:01
DataHoarder:
no
10:43:08
DataHoarder:
you'd be hitting duty limits
10:43:14
BlueyHealer:
wdym?
10:43:18
BlueyHealer:
sorry for being stupid
10:43:29
DataHoarder:
for lora frequencies there's a duty cycle you must follow
10:43:36
BlueyHealer:
Like, "a network of non-amateurs" is the whole point of Meshtastic
10:43:39
DataHoarder:
depending on country
10:43:42
BlueyHealer:
Like?
10:43:47
DataHoarder:
oh you mean ham radio amateurs
10:44:20
DataHoarder:
non-amateurs = licensed freqs :D
10:44:34
BlueyHealer:
Yes.
10:44:36
imprevisto:matrix.org:
Reticulum's main author just made an llm to automatically apply a verbal beatdown to anyone who opens an issue to change the license
10:44:45
BlueyHealer:
Non-amateurs as in normal people.
10:44:57
DataHoarder:
but here for example duty cycle is 10%
10:45:01
DataHoarder:
that means you can only transmit for 10% of the time at most
10:45:05
DataHoarder:
measured hourly
10:45:30
imprevisto:matrix.org:
i am a non-non-amateur myself
10:45:39
DataHoarder:
good table for example https://meshtastic.org/docs/configuration/radio/lora/#region
10:46:26
BlueyHealer:
Yeah, I'm just confused what we're talking about at this point.
10:46:26
DataHoarder:
monero is built for high bandwidth networks
10:46:34
DataHoarder:
specially with the push to get GiB-long blocks
10:46:48
Cindy:
LoRa isn't even good enough to send a whole CD's worth of data
10:46:52
Cindy:
in time
10:46:56
DataHoarder:
so that bandwidth is only possible with point to point or single source broadcasts
10:46:59
Cindy:
what makes you think it's good for monero :P
10:47:04
DataHoarder:
Cindy: it wouldn't be able to get block headers :P
10:47:16
BlueyHealer:
DataHoarder | it's not about power <- Meshtastic site says one of the benefits of being a licenced HAM specifically on Meshtastic is being able to transmit with higher power and use higher-gain antennas.
10:47:27
DataHoarder:
so at that point reticulum doesn't matter. meshtastic doesn't matter
10:47:29
DataHoarder:
you are making an ip net
10:47:31
imprevisto:matrix.org:
yeah i do 8-track cassette over lora usually myself
10:47:48
BlueyHealer:
Cindy, true! That's why I was wondering about Reticulum, but I barely know anything about it and don't know what exactly the bottlenecks are.
10:47:54
imprevisto:matrix.org:
i make an ip ne myself
10:48:09
DataHoarder:
you see many mesh networks solve the problem of handling the meshing or comms
10:48:17
DataHoarder:
but you want something else tbh
10:48:35
imprevisto:matrix.org:
i want something else myself
10:49:48
DataHoarder:
so yeah, find a system that can sync up several GiB every couple of minutes :)
10:50:17
Cindy:
LoRa is good for low-speed but high-range transmission of data
10:50:30
Cindy:
(as long as you employ hashes or even error correction)
10:50:49
Cindy:
and compression too
10:51:58
DataHoarder:
yeah. telemetry link
10:52:56
BlueyHealer:
BTW missed the initial context of a conversation. Are we talking about, like, using XMR when they turn off the mobile internet?
10:53:13
Cindy:
we're talking about transmitting monero blocks over LoRa or something
10:53:15
Cindy:
to mine them
10:53:27
DataHoarder:
being able to mine without internet
10:53:27
BlueyHealer:
Yeah - just in what context? That depends.
10:53:37
DataHoarder:
in a trustless way
10:53:43
Cindy:
^
10:53:45
DataHoarder:
aka, receiving block headers (and txs) to verify them
10:53:52
Cindy:
a miner that's far away from a monerod computer that has internet
10:53:57
Cindy:
the miner itself has no internet
10:53:59
DataHoarder:
then making normal mining
10:54:01
DataHoarder:
also be able to send mined blocks back
10:54:19
BlueyHealer:
Like, at least here shutdowns are semi-frequent, but short. And wired internet works so it'd be a matter of only transmitting for a short range, until someone has wi-fi. And it's not like you'd be mining on a cellular connection anyway...
10:54:29
DataHoarder:
afaik you'd need to get the headers locally or you are trusting that like a centralized pool
10:54:58
DataHoarder:
or, won't be mining txs and not helping monero
10:55:10
DataHoarder:
if link is high latency, you are running behind and will not be helping monero either
10:55:15
DataHoarder:
just make more orphans
10:55:31
Cindy:
a regular monero RPC (for making txs or checking incoming txs) would be fine over LoRa
10:55:41
BlueyHealer:
Oh, nice!
10:55:46
Cindy:
just have compression and error correction for the JSON data
10:55:58
DataHoarder:
that's too much traffic, Cindy
10:56:00
DataHoarder:
even in binary form
10:56:05
DataHoarder:
which p2pool for example uses
10:56:08
Cindy:
oh yeah
10:56:11
Cindy:
i forgot, wallet blocks
10:56:41
DataHoarder:
it could use something like monero-lws
10:56:48
DataHoarder:
as wallet
10:57:01
DataHoarder:
where lws pre-checks what applies to you :)
10:57:03
DataHoarder:
still. slow
10:57:32
DataHoarder:
you want a high bandwidth (relatively) broadcast network
10:57:36
DataHoarder:
and a low bandwidth, low frequency return network
10:57:59
Cindy:
easy
10:58:02
DataHoarder:
broadcast network gets blocks/transactions etc.
10:58:04
DataHoarder:
you locally can use that to sync up nodes
10:58:07
Cindy:
we just need to burn incoming monero blocks onto CD-Rs
10:58:11
Cindy:
and throw them outside
10:58:17
DataHoarder:
then send back txs
10:58:34
DataHoarder:
Cindy: nah, streaming tape
10:58:36
DataHoarder:
write on one side, read on other
10:58:38
DataHoarder:
:)
10:58:52
BlueyHealer:
Why not USB sticks then?
10:59:09
DataHoarder:
CD-Rs work as Frisbee
10:59:28
BlueyHealer:
Few people even have disk drives now because it's just kinda pointless...
10:59:35
DataHoarder:
can be launched with a cd gun :)
10:59:44
DataHoarder:
I have tape drives lol
10:59:58
BlueyHealer:
Oh wow! Why? Just residue from the past?
10:59:59
Cindy:
BlueyHealer: but no frisbee!
11:00:05
DataHoarder:
but yeah. one BD drive somewhere to rip stuff locally
11:00:08
Cindy:
also i still have a disk drive in my laptop
11:00:14
DataHoarder:
on that topic, tape currently being written
11:00:20
DataHoarder:
BlueyHealer: nah, bulk storage
11:00:23
BlueyHealer:
Oh! What for?
11:00:37
DataHoarder:
tape price keeps going down
11:00:38
BlueyHealer:
Is it the kind of tape that's good for retaining data for a long time?
11:00:39
DataHoarder:
as long as you can find reasonably priced tape drives :)
11:00:42
DataHoarder:
yeah
11:00:46
BlueyHealer:
Oh, cool!
11:00:46
DataHoarder:
specifically LTO-*
11:00:48
DataHoarder:
LTO-8
11:01:14
DataHoarder:
12TB (not TiB) tapes, I make two copies cause it's so cheap
11:01:57
BlueyHealer:
First time I see someone actually do that in personal life) That's so nice.
11:02:06
DataHoarder:
LTO-10 can do 30/40TB per tape raw
11:02:13
DataHoarder:
I found an extreme good deal on a new sealed drive lol
11:02:37
DataHoarder:
just had to convert it to standalone by reverse engineering firmware a bit :)
11:03:05
DataHoarder:
making some custom cables ... and got to use the Glasgow-C3 too
11:03:09
milas900:matrix.org:
So guys please explain to me. This guy is founder and Russian and lives in UK and he is founder for some financial startup for a company of 5 people. How this works ? Are they really smart or someone gave them this position or it’s money laundering. All young and ceo and cio Russians and Ukrainians in Uk..
11:03:12
DataHoarder:
dumped SPI chips too
11:03:30
Cindy:
BlueyHealer: also people still use optical disks
11:03:34
Cindy:
and drives
11:03:41
Cindy:
especially in 3rd world nations
11:04:04
DataHoarder:
but really. I have a lot of data which is mostly archives on HDD. I'm downsizing that and making it go offline, and not require constant spinning
11:04:31
DataHoarder:
BlueyHealer: https://git.gammaspectra.live/WeebDataHoarder/barrel
11:04:48
DataHoarder:
made this based on "age" tool to write headers and metadata in a more resilient way
11:04:52
BlueyHealer:
Cindy, I mean I get it's inertia.
11:05:06
DataHoarder:
extracts the key header for safe keeping elsewhere (you need this to decrypt)
11:05:10
BlueyHealer:
BTW what
11:05:15
BlueyHealer:
BTW what Git is that?
11:05:17
DataHoarder:
also adds some extra sums and header to the end of tape
11:05:31
DataHoarder:
it's mine
11:05:38
DataHoarder:
See "Spec notes from age-encryption.org/v1"
11:05:51
BlueyHealer:
No, I understand - I mean what Git implementation is that?
11:06:01
DataHoarder:
forgejo
11:06:03
DataHoarder:
also lol
11:06:04
BlueyHealer:
Ah!
11:06:05
DataHoarder:
it's git
11:06:08
DataHoarder:
what git implementation is it? it's git
11:06:11
DataHoarder:
they all use git
11:06:18
DataHoarder:
github != git :)
11:06:30
BlueyHealer:
dude you don't need to explain that
11:06:39
DataHoarder:
https://git-scm.com/
11:06:45
DataHoarder:
"what Git implementation is that?" just triggered that :)
11:06:58
BlueyHealer:
I know the underlying git is the same, but I don't know how to phrase the question of whether it's Gitea, Cgit, etc.
11:07:10
DataHoarder:
what forge is that?
11:07:38
DataHoarder:
^ forge is the common naming for vc + project management tools + ci
11:07:40
DataHoarder:
anyhow, archival script https://git.gammaspectra.live/WeebDataHoarder/barrel/src/branch/master/scripts/tape-archive.sh
11:07:42
DataHoarder:
it effectively makes an encrypted tar
11:08:11
DataHoarder:
and produces manifest and sum files
11:08:16
DataHoarder:
which allow you to do streaming decryption/verify https://git.gammaspectra.live/WeebDataHoarder/barrel/src/branch/master/scripts/tape-unarchive-verify.sh
11:08:41
DataHoarder:
straight to tar verify :)
11:08:47
BlueyHealer:
Ah! Thanks, didn't know this was called a "forge".
11:09:09
DataHoarder:
tape has all that's needed to decrypt itself (key headers in a couple of places) but is also archived elsewhere
11:09:21
DataHoarder:
encryption requires the modified standard tool (so it generates manifests/headers)
11:09:39
DataHoarder:
decryption uses all standard tools, does not depend on mine
11:09:41
DataHoarder:
that was the key point :)
11:09:42
BlueyHealer:
Can't one just copypaste a Veracrypt container onto tape?
11:10:09
DataHoarder:
where does veracrypt store header?
11:10:11
DataHoarder:
can it sustain failure of a block to decrypt the rest?
11:10:19
BlueyHealer:
and not require constant spinning <- Your HDDs are constantly on?
11:10:40
DataHoarder:
also, tapes are not really that seekable
11:10:49
BlueyHealer:
DataHoarder | can it sustain failure of a block to decrypt the rest? <- Never thought of that. I don't think so. So this is more failure-safe?
11:10:50
DataHoarder:
can it stream fetch files, say, "I want X Y Z out of this tape"
11:11:10
DataHoarder:
instead of having to take out the full 12TB then process?
11:11:39
DataHoarder:
yeah, the point is archival and be able to do selective streamable retrieval (even though you need to read the entire tape)
11:11:42
BlueyHealer:
Ah, so this one is.
11:11:44
DataHoarder:
seeking will kill the tape fast
11:11:57
BlueyHealer:
Understandable.
11:12:09
DataHoarder:
12:10:49 <BlueyHealer> and not require constant spinning <- Your HDDs are constantly on?
11:12:11
DataHoarder:
if you want them to live, yeah
11:12:13
DataHoarder:
heads flying, spinning
11:12:15
DataHoarder:
they maybe have like 14 start/stop in the past 8 years
11:12:35
BlueyHealer:
oh
11:12:43
DataHoarder:
the head ramp/park is what messes with it the most
11:13:11
DataHoarder:
and when you have a fleet of them it matters :)
11:13:19
BlueyHealer:
I only plug it in when in use, the little noise they make is annoying. There's a reason I bought an SSD for my seeding box instead.
11:13:38
DataHoarder:
I have plenty of SSDs
11:13:43
DataHoarder:
but when you are trying to do a couple hundred TBs it gets expensive :)
11:13:48
BlueyHealer:
A fleet of them? Do they back each other up or all have different data?
11:14:05
BlueyHealer:
wtf where do you even GET hundreds of terabytes over the course of your life
11:14:08
DataHoarder:
yes, raid kind of
11:14:10
DataHoarder:
specifically ceph :)
11:14:10
BlueyHealer:
I don't even have two!
11:14:18
DataHoarder:
some replication, some cluster level erasure coding
11:14:47
DataHoarder:
well. you start with 1TB. then two. then 4, then get a small 4-bay nas. then second one. then 16 bay. then start servers cause $$$
11:16:01
DataHoarder:
anyhow, for resiliency, look at this format https://github.com/C2SP/C2SP/blob/main/age.md#encrypted-file-format
11:16:13
DataHoarder:
the header wraps the actual random keys for the recipients.
11:16:15
DataHoarder:
it's at the start
11:16:33
DataHoarder:
without this, even if you have the recipient keys/password, the rest is useless
11:16:42
DataHoarder:
then
11:16:43
DataHoarder:
> The binary payload encrypts the file body and starts immediately after the header. It begins with a 16-byte nonce generated by the sender from a CSPRNG. A new nonce MUST be generated for each file.
11:17:04
DataHoarder:
this 16-byte nonce is required for decryption too
11:17:06
DataHoarder:
if gone, rest is useless
11:17:18
DataHoarder:
then each block has a block counter and nonce. this is fine, as each block has it, you can "seek" and skip bad blocks
11:18:02
DataHoarder:
so what you do is back up the header AND nonce, add it to the tail of the tape (or some other place); also is extracted as metadata so it can be backed up using other means
11:19:03
BlueyHealer:
Ah so it's per-file so that it's not all one big blob
11:19:11
DataHoarder:
not per file per se
11:19:20
DataHoarder:
I make one large streamed blob with Tar
11:19:31
DataHoarder:
which gets encrypted
11:19:40
DataHoarder:
you could make multiple, in the scripts I just handle this case
11:19:46
DataHoarder:
all this project does is wrap upstream https://git.gammaspectra.live/WeebDataHoarder/barrel/src/branch/master/internal/barrel/age.go#L17
11:20:11
DataHoarder:
and has it write keys, grabs them, then passes it fully to upstream
11:20:13
BlueyHealer:
ah
11:20:43
DataHoarder:
I added some more features to it though
11:20:51
DataHoarder:
I generate the specific tar with compat flags I know
11:21:03
DataHoarder:
and process files in specific ways
11:21:09
DataHoarder:
https://git.gammaspectra.live/WeebDataHoarder/barrel/src/branch/master/cmd/barrel/barrel.go#L150-L272
11:21:33
DataHoarder:
it also checksums each file individually as it streams through and stitches things together
11:22:01
DataHoarder:
this gets written to external metadata files ... but also makes sha256sum compatible files :)
11:22:37
DataHoarder:
all this ensures that the complexity and need to be careful is on the input side (backing up), not output side (recovery)
11:23:11
Cindy:
DataHoarder: reed-solomon soon? :o
11:23:12
DataHoarder:
output/recovery side is as boring as it should be, minus if tape ended up borked, then you have the header files
11:23:31
DataHoarder:
you can do that on your own, but nah
11:23:33
DataHoarder:
tapes already do their own
11:23:36
DataHoarder:
I use this setup with A/B tapes
11:23:58
Cindy:
oh so the tape drive itself does the error correction?
11:24:03
DataHoarder:
someone else I know uses this script/tool too and just uses them on single tapes
11:24:05
DataHoarder:
yes.
11:24:07
DataHoarder:
it's needed, ahead of time
11:24:08
BlueyHealer:
How many copies do you usually have?
11:24:13
DataHoarder:
as you can't really slow down the tape quick
11:24:19
DataHoarder:
A/B tapes indicates two
11:24:30
BlueyHealer:
Also, are tapes like this still manufactured?
11:24:40
DataHoarder:
but they use it as long term archival, so tapes are backup
11:24:42
DataHoarder:
yes lol
11:24:44
DataHoarder:
they are modern tech
11:24:46
DataHoarder:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_Tape-Open
11:25:14
DataHoarder:
https://irc.gammaspectra.live/0ce2acaed50e26c9/image.png
11:25:22
BlueyHealer:
So again - for each file, how many copies do you usually make?
11:25:42
DataHoarder:
I don't do "files" I backup datasets
11:25:44
DataHoarder:
I make a dataset of many files
11:25:48
DataHoarder:
each dataset goes on A/B tapes
11:25:51
DataHoarder:
12:24:49 <DataHoarder> A/B tapes indicates two
11:25:59
BlueyHealer:
Ah, that was about this. Got it.
11:26:19
DataHoarder:
that is the archival setup. each A/B tape goes to different locations
11:26:45
DataHoarder:
while metadata can be backed up widely
11:26:47
DataHoarder:
it's small :)
11:26:47
BlueyHealer:
I just refresh each location's backup whewnever I feel like it.
11:27:42
DataHoarder:
remember that changing a "file" on a tape requires rewriting it
11:27:47
DataHoarder:
so I just backup 12TB long-term chunks :)
11:28:20
DataHoarder:
sometimes related, other times it's what I have to backup
11:29:07
DataHoarder:
for lto-8 prices - in non-bulk, new, small packs
11:29:10
DataHoarder:
it's like $50 every 12TB
11:29:37
DataHoarder:
you can probably find waaay better if you are a sole proprietor company
11:30:11
DataHoarder:
that's like $4/TB
11:30:28
BlueyHealer:
What a deal, had no idea)
11:30:32
DataHoarder:
new
11:30:34
DataHoarder:
best price for HDDs is used drives, 3TB, at $9/TB
11:31:02
DataHoarder:
or at higher density, very used SAS 12TB drives, at $10.8/TB
11:31:08
DataHoarder:
meanwhile: new tapes :)
11:31:16
DataHoarder:
2x still ends up below that pricing
11:31:35
DataHoarder:
able to do bulk 20x box? you can find these at 10-30% discounts at least
11:32:13
DataHoarder:
actually scratch that. you can find them even fucking cheaper
11:33:55
BlueyHealer:
First link and it's already not the price I'd expect for 12TB storage)
11:35:50
DataHoarder:
yeah
11:35:52
DataHoarder:
pricing error
11:36:02
DataHoarder:
snatched it
11:36:04
DataHoarder:
risk is worth it
11:36:37
DataHoarder:
if they send just one - item description is wrong and I'll get money back
11:38:13
DataHoarder:
> Item Weight: 9.88 Pounds
11:58:10
Cindy:
DataHoarder: have you heard of 5D optical data storage
11:58:38
Cindy:
5D disks
12:00:25
BlueyHealer:
What's the point of those?
12:01:01
buynbadrah:matrix.org:
Cindy: But there’s only 3d
12:01:28
Cindy:
the data is encoded in different angles
12:01:31
Cindy:
that's the 3D
12:01:48
Cindy:
depending on where you view the disk, it'll give you different data
12:01:52
Cindy:
that's the 5D*
12:02:14
Cindy:
BlueyHealer: storing up to 360TB of data in a 12cm disk
12:02:23
buynbadrah:matrix.org:
Hard disk but using like the sides of the magnetic disk?
12:02:30
Cindy:
that can survive harsh conditions and for billions of years
12:02:31
BlueyHealer:
OOH
12:02:36
buynbadrah:matrix.org:
360TB?!?!
12:03:09
Cindy:
yes
12:03:39
Cindy:
it uses an extremely short laser i think, like a femtosecond
12:03:54
Cindy:
or about a quadrillionth of a second
12:04:34
Cindy:
https://www.gog.com/en/news/heroes_of_might_and_magic_2_heroes_chronicles_and_a_legendary_crystal
12:04:43
Cindy:
here's an example of a 5D disk
12:05:09
Cindy:
storing a copy of heroes of might and magic 3: complete
12:05:37
sech1:
I don't remember it being 360 TB in size
12:05:41
buynbadrah:matrix.org:
So not magnetic but like a dvd/cd?
12:06:22
Cindy:
well yeah, it uses lasers
12:51:14
dufebo98:
hello, will the upcoming FCMP++ upgrade fix the Janus attack?
13:22:29
rbrunner7:
@dufebo98:monero.social: Yes. Check here: https://github.com/jeffro256/carrot/blob/master/carrot.md#212-janus-attack-mitigation
13:22:46
rbrunner7:
It won't wash the dished and do the laundy, however :)
14:48:15
DataHoarder:
To be more specific, Carrot addressing does
14:48:23
DataHoarder:
FCMP++ is coming along with it as well, but they are two different things
16:20:26
dufebo98:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/monero.social/dVLCxwdCDfedNVcqNFyhoovA.jpeg (image_0ABBF793-F158-4144-9D5C-D471A9E01057_1767025285.jpeg)
16:28:25
DataHoarder:
more Risc-V :D
16:45:06
sech1:
My plan is to finish RandomX V2 in Q1 2026 :P
16:56:08
Cindy:
dufebo98: is it just a computer in a big scary metal case?
17:03:26
wrightpt1:matrix.org:
I am creating a prediction maket. With monero
17:04:06
wrightpt1:matrix.org:
Is any one available that can has experience with sports predictions or any prediction market help me walk through end user flow.
17:13:08
Cindy:
just call it gambling
17:13:24
ravfx:xmr.mx:
@wrightpt1:matrix.org: Just go take a look at polymarket?
17:13:43
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Yeah, it's just gambling 2.0
17:14:43
ravfx:xmr.mx:
I miss the Minko one
17:18:18
Cindy:
also remember to hire donald trump jr as your advisor
17:18:41
Cindy:
that'll help you not get blocked
17:24:44
wrightpt1:matrix.org:
@ravfx:xmr.mx: Canary.3xmr.com
17:24:55
wrightpt1:matrix.org:
Im enabling the end user to fund parleys tho
17:25:23
wrightpt1:matrix.org:
So instead of fan duel getting the pot when someone looses parley, end user does
17:25:26
wrightpt1:matrix.org:
That is big deal
17:27:49
BlueyHealer:
BTW does Polymarket require KYC?
17:29:43
wrightpt1:matrix.org:
Im not sure. Why does it matter. 30 percent of users are from usa thru vpn
17:29:50
wrightpt1:matrix.org:
For polymarket
17:30:05
wrightpt1:matrix.org:
I just feel like polymarket misses the boat for end user experience
17:30:11
ravfx:xmr.mx:
BlueyHealer: Non. But you can only deposit usdt (easy to track)
17:30:24
BlueyHealer:
Oh!
17:30:35
plowsof:
isnt polymarket open source though?
17:30:47
ravfx:xmr.mx:
No idea
17:30:57
BlueyHealer:
I have no intention of gambling myself, I just know it from hilarious things people bet on. Like, pretty sure there is a bet on Jesus coming back
17:31:06
wrightpt1:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/PyXgBrWKPVvlEOuMIwiFcFtt.jpeg (ima_0a5ab11.jpeg)
17:31:18
wrightpt1:matrix.org:
He said to open source market, would that help gain trust
17:31:25
wrightpt1:matrix.org:
I can do that
17:31:28
plowsof:
https://github.com/polymarket
17:31:38
BlueyHealer:
Is USDT any more trackable than BTC/LTC, which you can swap into from XMR?
17:32:11
wrightpt1:matrix.org:
How can monero work with automated market maker
17:32:27
ravfx:xmr.mx:
BlueyHealer: Not subaddress, extra shenanigans required afaik
17:32:35
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Noe subaddress*
17:33:15
BlueyHealer:
Ah! But can you not swap into it from a currency that does have privacy?
17:33:38
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Yes, you can use the many swapper
17:34:09
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Its how I got ban from one payment provider lol
17:34:27
BlueyHealer:
oh
17:34:37
BlueyHealer:
Payment provider? Which one?
17:35:05
BlueyHealer:
Also, like, you need an account on such to pay for something? Or for accepting payments?
17:35:25
plowsof:
a url that resembles the content of the site it links to is always a bonus, i dont see any canary or 3 xmrs , only name i see is "PredictX"
17:36:03
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Dont remember the name right now., its not a common one.
17:36:03
ravfx:xmr.mx:
But the payment failed, then they returned the coins to me and banned the email I was using
17:36:18
BlueyHealer:
oh
17:36:48
BlueyHealer:
So you needed to make an account with them to pay for an unrelated service? Heard those can wven be KYC.
17:37:21
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Non, just to pay for tradingview in crypto
17:37:31
ravfx:xmr.mx:
It use that shitty payment provider too
17:37:59
ravfx:xmr.mx:
It sent them your email to them when you use it
17:38:27
wrightpt1:matrix.org:
plowsof: Thx. Will implement them now. Litte input like this that add trust are great.
17:39:06
wrightpt1:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/dQzGILvXQOzdhfHftdZGiejT.jpeg (ima_83a6b8a.jpeg)
17:40:57
BlueyHealer:
Ah, you mean the account was with Tradingview.
17:40:58
plowsof:
lol
17:41:28
plowsof:
prompt4trust
17:41:39
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Non, I just try to not mention the specific service lol.
17:41:39
ravfx:xmr.mx:
But tradingview use the same shitty payment provider
17:42:38
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Im pretty sure it flagged me because I used a fresh eth address for deposit from the swapper
17:45:02
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Or because my ip changed when I went to pay... There really sensitive snowflake with 1 star on trustpilot
17:45:23
BlueyHealer:
A fresh eth address? what
17:45:50
BlueyHealer:
BTW how can you pay for anything in ETH with its fees?
17:46:15
ravfx:xmr.mx:
BlueyHealer: Install programme to receive eth
17:46:15
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Receive eth dust and some usdt from swapper
17:46:15
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Pay it all to the thing you wanted to pay
17:46:39
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Well, when you use usdt you are stuck using the flavor of usdt they like
17:47:00
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Some people have polygon and solana
17:47:00
ravfx:xmr.mx:
So people have erc-20 only
17:47:48
BlueyHealer:
I mean wouldn't the fees be crazy?
17:48:31
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
No
17:48:41
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Hasnt been for yrs
17:49:25
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Depend.
17:49:25
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Fees are shit but ok for occasional use...
17:49:25
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Assuming we are not into big pump movement or flood period (nft)
17:49:58
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Its normally less than 50 cents I think
17:50:17
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
I remember $80 fees a few yrs ago
17:50:24
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
On eth
17:50:26
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Me too
17:50:43
BlueyHealer:
Oh!
17:51:03
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Its why I switched to tron usd back then. But now fees are higher on trc-20 than erc-20
17:51:03
BlueyHealer:
ofrnxmr, yeah, I recall that, assumed it didn't change much!
17:51:34
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Well, it all depend of the network load at the end
17:55:54
ufo808:matrix.org:
to be honest with you, you used too much ai, I'm sure you don't even understand what your source code does most of the time, personally when I build something with ai I try to understand what it does/writes, because in the end it doesn't look good > <@wrightpt1:matrix.org> Canary.3xmr.com
17:56:18
ufo808:matrix.org:
I can't even register or create market, bro, this is not production ready at all
17:56:18
ufo808:matrix.org:
just being honest with you
17:56:30
ufo808:matrix.org:
not trying to insult or smth
17:57:24
Cindy:
the padding on the elements of the sidebar is like...
17:57:27
Cindy:
god fucking damn
17:57:45
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Cindy: Type that into the ai and it will fix it. Duh
17:57:49
Cindy:
i need a scrollbar to see like 8 different optios
17:57:49
plowsof:
share it on reddit and put a donatoin address like everyone else
17:57:50
Cindy:
options*
17:58:07
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
plowsof: Make a kuno for it too
17:58:12
ufo808:matrix.org:
@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: yep, until it messes it up completely
17:58:32
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
@ufo808:matrix.org: Then change handles and come back with a different idea
17:58:41
ufo808:matrix.org:
git helps with ai a lot, you just can revert commit if something goes wrong
17:59:13
rucknium:
Cindy: If you want a blockchain game based on the Monero codebase, check out Townforge. Yet, its development is slow.
17:59:13
plowsof:
😆 BIG NEWS [AMM PREDICTION DEX MARKET] - screenshot screenshot , Just polishing up the fine details!!!!!! COMING SOON, show your support at ongoing kuno! Much thanks to those whom already donated!!!
17:59:49
BlueyHealer:
registers on Polymarket and bets against the success of this one
17:59:59
plowsof:
comments may include "Wow looks good!" , "been waiting for this!"
18:00:18
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Reddit showing tonnes of support
18:00:23
plowsof:
lol
18:01:06
rbrunner7:
In any case, it's only real if you vibe-code it.
18:01:31
plowsof:
the best was a screenshot -of the git repo itself- to prove its open source
18:01:44
rbrunner7:
From now on I will only use software that carries the "AI stamp of approval"
18:02:53
plowsof:
if i dont see "Made with 💗 by kewbit" in the credits, im not interested
18:03:13
plowsof:
a joke
18:07:06
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
@rbrunner7: I heard the other day that ai writes more robust code than humans
18:07:21
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
But i figure "robust" jus means "fat"
18:10:12
Cindy:
fatphobic
18:20:13
Cindy:
i can't believe there are people who just prompt AI, copy and paste
18:20:22
Cindy:
without knowing anything about the thing it generated
18:24:35
ufo808:matrix.org:
with ai-integrated IDE like Cursor you don't even need to copy and paste, just say
18:24:53
ufo808:matrix.org:
but this performance comes with a trade off of technical debt and skill issue
18:25:55
ufo808:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/hrLUSLjhgWWbxUrQiUlbwnTF.mp4 (doc_2025-12-29_18-25-59.mp4)
18:26:37
BlueyHealer:
As for "robust" - maybe also in "hard to modify"?
18:26:48
ravfx:xmr.mx:
@ufo808:matrix.org: Confirmed by many research. Vibe coding do induce brain rot
18:27:15
Cindy:
well here's the ultimate test
18:27:22
ufo808:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/KgZkXFwaNeuKJPBFzZnERnzp.mp4 (doc_2025-12-29_18-25-59.mp4)
18:27:24
BlueyHealer:
I can't say for sure, but it kinda tracks with how it doesn't "think" in steps, just goes for a particular goal... But I would like to be cirrected if anyone knows better.
18:27:26
Cindy:
what if your LLM stops working
18:27:44
BlueyHealer:
or just changes the model that now works very differently
18:29:09
BlueyHealer:
Cindy, this is my hope tbh - that the big companies would take their products down when they collapse. We would still have the local models though...
18:41:28
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Yeah, there is no way to put the geni back in the bottle
18:42:48
Cindy:
so make it your last wish to make it freeeeeee
19:35:57
BlueyHealer:
ravfx, but you could at least downplay it if the more powerful cloud stuff shuts down due to unaffordability.
21:28:04
ravfx:xmr.mx:
BlueyHealer: They do try to make running the models locally less affordable
21:29:16
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Oh nooo, the chineses released big llms models for free
21:29:17
ravfx:xmr.mx:
> buy all the rams, including unfinished wafers
21:31:38
ravfx:xmr.mx:
They want to be sure there model stay cheaper than running your own yourself
21:44:39
nioc:
BYOR
21:51:24
Infinity8:
.help
21:51:24
Wallet:
Infinity8: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command.
21:51:38
Infinity8:
>:O
22:03:57
brywyab:matrix.org:
I installed monero but am not receiving to my atomic wallet.?
22:06:55
Cindy:
.coins DOGE
22:06:56
Wallet:
Cindy: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command.
22:06:56
Wallet:
Cindy: I sent you more info va PM
22:07:07
Cindy:
wtf is this bot
22:07:13
Cindy:
.coins set DOGE
22:07:13
Wallet:
Cindy: Your default coin set to DOGE
22:07:23
Cindy:
.balance
22:07:23
Wallet:
Cindy: • Your balance is: 0 XMR
22:07:32
Cindy:
i am poor
22:07:43
Cindy:
.faucet
22:07:43
Wallet:
Cindy: This command is disabled in this channel.
22:07:53
Cindy:
i continue to be poor
22:11:59
brywyab:matrix.org:
help
22:12:15
Cindy:
brywyab: receiving what?
22:12:17
Cindy:
more info needed
22:14:23
brywyab:matrix.org:
iset up moneromontero with atomic wallet but imI'm noynot getgetting any deposts
22:14:38
Cindy:
what is atomic wallet?
22:16:15
brywyab:matrix.org:
it was a sugestsuggestion to use wiwith monermonero
22:18:43
Cindy:
i don't really understand what you're sayng
22:18:48
Cindy:
are you referring to atomic swaps?
22:20:13
brywyab:matrix.org:
ccan pasrepaste a jpeg here
22:21:41
Cindy:
sure, just make sure not to include any personal info
22:24:43
brywyab:matrix.org:
how do iI attach file
22:24:59
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
With the paperclip button
22:25:21
Cindy:
also why are you talking like that
22:27:17
brywyab:matrix.org:
iI dodon't see paperclip
22:33:56
DataHoarder:
do we want the wallet bot here?
22:33:59
DataHoarder:
or it begone
22:34:26
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
What good is it?
22:34:26
Cindy:
no
22:34:31
Cindy:
don't begone it
22:34:39
DataHoarder:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1pyzdpc/randomx_v2_update/
22:34:44
Cindy:
.tip
22:34:52
Cindy:
.tip DataHoarder 100000
22:34:53
Wallet:
Cindy: Ooops! Not enough in your balance..
22:35:05
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
.help
22:35:07
Cindy:
i don't have enough literal monopoly money, sorry DataHoarder
22:35:23
DataHoarder:
nah ofrnxmr no puppet on IRC side
22:35:25
Cindy:
ofrnxmr: won't work over matrix because of the prefix that br-m says
22:35:31
Cindy:
sends*
22:35:34
ofrnxmr:
.help
22:35:34
Wallet:
ofrnxmr: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command.
22:35:35
Wallet:
ofrnxmr: I'm a cool multi-coin multi-platform bot by Bill48105. Docs: https://bill48105.github.io/wallet/ | I sent you more info via PM
22:35:56
Bill48105:
hey what's up
22:36:17
Cindy:
whaaat
22:36:23
Cindy:
you mean the developer is actually alive?
22:36:36
Bill48105:
nope
22:36:40
Bill48105:
i am a robot
22:36:43
Cindy:
.8ball should you get out
22:36:43
Wallet:
Cindy: UNSURE - Try again
22:36:48
Cindy:
.8ball should you get out, again
22:36:48
Wallet:
Cindy: UNSURE - Try again
22:36:48
ofrnxmr:
.xmr .deposit
22:36:54
Bill48105:
too many dots
22:37:06
ofrnxmr:
.xmr deposit
22:37:06
Wallet:
ofrnxmr: Send XMR to 8AguygAwK3KRLJQ3thsY7C2cZhZirfPG7WLx6MJvQc1PQr7uaqX4f6kaYGwefP628TiXibZPtZob6TuCATuWxiyUQzQnYRp | credited after 3 confirms.
22:37:07
Bill48105:
only need prefix at start
22:37:12
Bill48105:
there ya go
22:37:22
Cindy:
credited after 3 confirms ey?
22:37:36
Cindy:
qubic, i need your reorg chain now
22:37:44
Bill48105:
should i set it to 100
22:37:50
Cindy:
just 10
22:38:07
ofrnxmr:
Why 10?
22:38:20
Cindy:
cuz everything's built around 10
22:38:26
ofrnxmr:
not really
22:38:30
Cindy:
okay then
22:38:33
Bill48105:
kek
22:38:36
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Base 10 best number!
22:38:40
Cindy:
1000 then
22:38:41
brywyab:matrix.org:
trying to attach jpeg cantcan't find paperclip
22:38:50
Cindy:
.xmr deposit 10000
22:38:50
Wallet:
Cindy: Send XMR to 84Vo2UJXeWvQC6LXvSQweuQuhbJDyNT4UEua6Gjb93BqV5aAorc7Fbhj5nGqbRFBPSK4EYdoSyiMd7CtqSHVReQxMD67psF | credited after 3 confirms.
22:38:53
Bill48105:
no idea why 3 was used besides it was considered best for doge
22:39:17
ofrnxmr:
3 is ~6mins. Basicswap uses 3
22:39:23
Cindy:
Bill48105: can i see the source code
22:39:24
Bill48105:
kek you don't tell it how much you just send coins & it credits based on what it receives
22:39:41
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Its the norm for a lot of bitcoin based crypto (3)
22:40:04
Bill48105:
right idea being by time 3 confirms unlikely to be invalid or reversed
22:40:04
DataHoarder:
.xmr deposit
22:40:14
DataHoarder:
.xmr deposit
22:40:22
Bill48105:
.xmr bal
22:40:22
Wallet:
Bill48105: 0.00996944 XMR (≈$4.37) m:10
22:40:22
ravfx:xmr.mx:
I think because a lot of bitcoin accepting services used 3
22:40:24
DataHoarder:
.xmr deposit
22:40:25
Wallet:
DataHoarder: Send XMR to 8BvsFvpJothAXnR4LC66FhSZ3UfUJKv9HTxvADWbCwLWYPaYkVircuMCbcEkQmtxZz4tEfePmNagsHbCWmoFmfXM67MjMP3 | credited after 3 confirms.
22:40:26
Cindy:
.xmr bal
22:40:27
Wallet:
Cindy: 0 XMR
22:40:28
DataHoarder:
laggy?
22:40:32
Cindy:
.help
22:40:33
DataHoarder:
.xmr deposit
22:40:38
Bill48105:
nah you had extra chars or something
22:40:42
DataHoarder:
;)
22:40:57
Cindy:
.furry
22:40:58
Wallet:
Cindy: not furry, FURY ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) https://youtu.be/nhbkOZL5gEI?t=28
22:41:01
Cindy:
.fury
22:41:01
Wallet:
Cindy: fury has humped 5888 legs & counting!
22:41:07
DataHoarder:
maybe tbh this fits more in #monero-offtopic and not #monero
22:41:09
Cindy:
what the aboslute fuck
22:41:14
DataHoarder:
given it starts with "multi coin" stuff :)
22:41:24
ravfx:xmr.mx:
.xmr leak_all_seeds
22:41:28
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
HAHAHA
22:41:32
DataHoarder:
ok yeah this seems like an offtopic bot
22:41:35
Bill48105:
it's here as a carry over from freenode #monero
22:41:38
DataHoarder:
furryDIscordBot
22:41:55
Cindy:
ravfx: that sounds pretty wrong
22:42:01
Bill48105:
tippero was xmr bot but was shut down
22:42:20
Cindy:
.elon
22:42:21
Wallet:
Cindy: I'm stoned:stonks
22:42:27
DataHoarder:
did you know this bot is also a reason why I had to add a common word dictionary for ping converter on the IRC<->Matrix bridge?
22:42:35
Cindy:
.ban Wallet
22:42:35
Wallet:
Cindy: Access denied for ban Reason: NO PERMISSIONS - See help, unlock, or recover
22:42:37
DataHoarder:
it kept making wallet mentions of the bot elsewhere
22:42:39
Cindy:
.unlock
22:42:43
Cindy:
.recover
22:42:44
Wallet:
Cindy: Your account doesn't need recovery or cannot be unlocked via recover command.
22:42:55
Bill48105:
it was requested/suggested Wallet be brought in here and xmr set as default coin
22:42:55
Cindy:
.unlock 123456
22:42:55
Wallet:
Cindy: TOTP 2FA secret not set!
22:43:05
Bill48105:
you do know you can do most commands in PM
22:43:05
ofrnxmr:
.delete
22:43:12
Bill48105:
and not spam the channel
22:43:12
Cindy:
.kick yourself
22:43:21
Cindy:
Bill48105: yes
22:43:41
brywyab:matrix.org:
help
22:43:47
Bill48105:
or one of the many dedicated bot channels
22:44:03
DataHoarder:
yeah that's the reason I mentioned it Bill48105, the spam will get there (and maybe abused by the raids)
22:44:44
Cindy:
.mattwj2002
22:44:50
Bill48105:
generally USERS that abuse bots causing spam/flooding are dealt with before blaming the bot
22:45:00
Cindy:
what is this command
22:45:02
Cindy:
who is this matt guy
22:45:19
Bill48105:
matt's command is forced to pm or notice because he spams it
22:45:28
Cindy:
i noticed
22:45:55
Bill48105:
example of handling users who trigger bot before blaming the bot
22:46:34
Cindy:
.calc (100 ^ 10000) ^ 3
22:46:34
Wallet:
Cindy: ERROR: Large exponents kill baby shibes!
22:46:39
Cindy:
.calc (100 ^ 10) ^ 3
22:46:39
Wallet:
Cindy: ERROR: Large dildos kill baby shibes!
22:47:16
Cindy:
no comment :P
22:47:17
Bill48105:
but yeah after no tippero i was asked if i'd xmr to Wallet bot but i already had it
22:47:32
Bill48105:
it supports like 20 coins & 10+ platforms
22:47:33
brywyab:matrix.org:
want to attchattach jpeg but where is paperclip?
22:47:54
Bill48105:
includes built in cross platform tipping/bridging too
22:48:33
Bill48105:
so users on irc (libera) can tip users on matrix, discord etc
22:49:23
Bill48105:
built in bridging doesnt need to be enabled for the features to work BUT the bot needs to know users on both ends so the users need to be in channels the bot is in on their respective ends..
22:49:49
brywyab:matrix.org:
i must be in wrong room
22:50:36
Bill48105:
dunno brywab what is it you are looking for. no paperclips in monero that i'm aware of
22:51:36
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
@brywyab:matrix.org: #monero-support:monero.social
22:52:16
Bill48105:
.xmr tip Bill48105@discord $0.01
22:52:17
Wallet:
Bill48105 tipped 0.00002279 XMR (≈$0.01) to Bill48105 on discord [cc4d4e7b]
22:53:42
brywyab:matrix.org:
installed moneromontero with atomic wallet but not getting deposits
22:54:28
Bill48105:
bummer. is it synced and ready and you sent to address given by the wallet
22:55:05
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
@brywyab:matrix.org: No idea what this is
22:55:30
Bill48105:
got me just guessing. never used that wallet but in general those are required for wallets to be functional
22:56:31
Bill48105:
the wallet needs to be ready. you get address from that wallet & send to that address. you can't send to other addresses & expect the coins to show up in different wallet which is common mistake/misconception for some
22:56:59
Bill48105:
some services queue sends so your coins wont appear immediately
22:57:29
Bill48105:
once there is at least 1 confirm normally it's been broadcast & visible in block explorers & possibly destination wallet
22:58:08
Bill48105:
once it reaches minimum number of confirms to be deemed trustworthy it'll show as confirmed vs pending
22:58:31
Bill48105:
that's just general crypto related not monero specific
23:01:05
brywyab:matrix.org:
{
23:01:05
brywyab:matrix.org:
"api": {
23:01:05
brywyab:matrix.org:
"id": null,
23:01:05
brywyab:matrix.org:
"worker-id": null
23:01:05
brywyab:matrix.org:
},[... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/2IDfrtcKdjNRU1Zt ]
23:01:57
brywyab:matrix.org:
my config file
23:03:24
DataHoarder:
you have never received payments in centralized pools
23:03:29
DataHoarder:
that address you listed only has unconfirmed balance
23:04:24
DataHoarder:
on xmrpool.eu > Pending Balance: 0.000045469023 XMR
23:04:27
DataHoarder:
on nanopool > 0.00030446
23:04:46
DataHoarder:
you will need to reach 0.11 XMR on nanopool to get anything out
23:04:57
DataHoarder:
or 0.07 XMR on xmrpool.eu
23:05:03
DataHoarder:
(I list these on https://blocks.p2pool.observer/pools )
23:05:27
DataHoarder:
it'll probably take a long time.
23:06:14
DataHoarder:
if you'd like to receive payments for every block found while you had shares in the window, there's P2Pool. Probably p2pool nano or p2pool mini for your hashrate
23:06:33
Bill48105:
oh right pools normally need min balance to be met before sending especially for free/low fee
23:06:37
DataHoarder:
for this, you need to run things locally
23:10:49
Bill48105:
it's a bummer trade ogre got shut down
23:14:05
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
nonlogs.io if youre feeling rabid
23:15:51
Bill48105:
feelin randy are ya
23:15:55
Bill48105:
oh rabid
23:16:34
brywyab:matrix.org:
ok so ill just wait then
23:16:44
Bill48105:
guess ogre didn't grease the right palms well enough
23:17:22
Bill48105:
wonder how long non logs lasts
23:18:47
Bill48105:
sticky frm mod regarding non logs "Please treat with caution, as this seems new."
23:18:51
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Ogre admin is allegedly dead
23:19:18
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Bill48105: thats why i said rabid
23:19:32
Bill48105:
seriously? ouch that's a bummer eh
23:19:52
Bill48105:
fell out a window?
23:20:55
ofrnxmr:
when the seizure came, they said that the admin couldnt be arrested because they had died months earlier
23:21:06
Bill48105:
hmm
23:21:30
Bill48105:
i only knew what happened because bot was using their api for market data
23:22:03
Bill48105:
but yeah tough to arrest someone ded
23:23:15
Bill48105:
weird things were still rolling for months though eh
23:26:34
nioc:
Bill48105: somebody got scammed and sued and in the suit mentioned that ogre didn't do enough to recover the coins
23:26:50
nioc:
also seems that the owner of ogre passed away so.....
23:26:57
Bill48105:
ouch yeah that'll do it but personal accountability should be a thing
23:27:25
nioc:
not wen we have lawyers :D
23:27:38
Bill48105:
and yeah sounds like multiple things went down that lead to it
23:27:52
Bill48105:
all good things must come to an end eventually
23:28:29
Bill48105:
lawyers need to eat too