05:49:00
zombie:catgirl.cloud:
Only coin you’ll ever need is monero
05:54:39
BlueyHealer:
I do hope there's some more energy-efficient alternative eventually, though. But this is the best we have currently and for some foreseeable future.
05:57:41
torir:matrix.org:
Monero also can't do smart contracts. Doing smart contracts in a private way is a whole complex matter.
05:58:35
torir:matrix.org:
For pure financial privacy though, Monero is the best in the space.
05:58:59
zombie:catgirl.cloud:
fair point.
05:59:00
torir:matrix.org:
Still not perfect, but we're working on it.
06:00:49
BlueyHealer:
Are those smart contracts even important outside of being a buzzword?
06:01:58
torir:matrix.org:
Yes. Atomic swaps rely on them, for starters. Currently you can atomic swap between Monero and a coin that supports scripts like BTC and LTC, but not between two privacy coins.
06:02:19
torir:matrix.org:
We don't need to go full Ethereum. Even simply scripting would add a lot of utility.
06:02:24
BlueyHealer:
Ah! Didn't know that.
06:02:27
torir:matrix.org:
simple* scripting
06:04:22
torir:matrix.org:
Swap contracts also make L2s things like payment channels a lot easier to implement.
06:04:30
torir:matrix.org:
smart* contracts
06:29:46
DataHoarder:
SupportXMR has 59.5% of instant hashrate currently https://irc.gammaspectra.live/74bef052c8704cb9/image.png
06:31:04
DataHoarder:
however that's due to miningpoolstats not recognizing nanopool
06:31:22
DataHoarder:
44% with nanopool included (when it works) https://irc.gammaspectra.live/50d87701139efdb3/image.png
06:32:10
DataHoarder:
https://blocks.p2pool.observer/pools 40.56% last week hashrate
07:03:45
marioob:matrix.org:
Don't give us heart attacks. > <DataHoarder> SupportXMR has 59.5% of instant hashrate currently https://irc.gammaspectra.live/74bef052c8704cb9/image.png
07:04:09
DataHoarder:
it's still growing. but I have seen a couple of people elsewhere post 60% pics cause of API issues
07:04:43
DataHoarder:
I made the pools page on the explorer to take into account unknown / unreported hash
07:05:06
DataHoarder:
but ofc, it's medium term for the last week. it doesn't capture instant changes
07:12:59
marioob:matrix.org:
The only way out of this is if we all mine on the p2p. I personally mined on p2pmini for over an year, until i actually had to start using my coins. Most of payment processors refused my coins due to my wallet being flooded with TXOs from the pool. I had to break the transfer in smaller payments. Since then, I moved onto ordin [... too long, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/pbnPxdUKVUNvbWJW ]
07:13:03
spvce:spvcer3ii.space:
Merry Christmas Eve, Monero Miners! :D
07:13:51
marioob:matrix.org:
Merry Xmas folks!
07:14:28
spvce:spvcer3ii.space:
For this Christmas, my goal is to make my Matrix server open to the public.
07:14:56
spvce:spvcer3ii.space:
I'll check in with y'all later, keep me posted on whatever goes down :]
07:21:53
marioob:matrix.org:
What are the unknown hashrates here? And why is this list significantly shorter than the one on miningpoolstats? Are these 2 related? > <DataHoarder> https://blocks.p2pool.observer/pools 40.56% last week hashrate
07:22:13
DataHoarder:
unknown hashrate is untracked pools or solo miners.
07:22:25
DataHoarder:
it's fine, people mine on their own
07:22:37
DataHoarder:
miningpoolstats reports values from pools API
07:22:54
DataHoarder:
https://blocks.p2pool.observer/pools works solely from Monero blocks - calculating difficulty from actual blocks found
07:23:09
DataHoarder:
it works even when pools are down, and if they provide view keys, it even does attribution
07:23:27
DataHoarder:
if a pool has not found a block during ~last week it won't show up.
07:23:46
DataHoarder:
I track many more for attribution api-wise, they just don't show up unless a block is there
07:24:19
DataHoarder:
"What are the unknown hashrates here" it's blocks without attributed pool or entity. which is fine.
07:27:21
marioob:matrix.org:
The unknown hashrates are one with no identifier and 2 with an ID in brackets. Do I get it right the former being solo miners and the later being 2 unknown pools?
07:30:37
DataHoarder:
no
07:30:47
DataHoarder:
that's just showing patterns in their extra nonces
07:30:57
DataHoarder:
it might indicate it's the same entity who mined that set of blocks. or not
07:31:39
DataHoarder:
it's whatever they put on extra nonce on the miner tx https://p2pool.io/explorer/tx/65ae2e4893fea59dbd96f76d688e7ebb69baa206c13c0d4a6b17583ca2e24b5f
07:32:20
DataHoarder:
if there's more than 3 with same specific instance id per week set, they get split off from "Unknown"
07:32:43
DataHoarder:
Unknown does have many with values in extra nonces. but if I'd split them, the page would make no sense
07:42:23
DataHoarder:
here's what happens when I disable the aggregation/coalescing https://irc.gammaspectra.live/b607d3863ef14451/image.png
07:56:37
Cindy:
BlueyHealer: solar panels?
08:07:47
BlueyHealer:
Cindy, I was talking about the currency, not energy sources.
08:37:23
marioob:matrix.org:
Thanks for explanation. This pools observer is actually more helpful in most scenarios. > <DataHoarder> https://blocks.p2pool.observer/pools works solely from Monero blocks - calculating difficulty from actual blocks found
09:00:40
lza_menace:
i'm not cryptographically savvy enough to do it so i implemented a block explorer in typescript and used woodser's wallet implementation to get the functionality > <DataHoarder> On mine if you are on a transaction you can pass txkey+addr, or viewkey+addr, or proof+addr and it'll verify it against the tx
09:01:35
datahoarder:
that's some long term reply, I had to come check out what was the context :D
09:01:47
datahoarder:
bridge just sends the message you reply to as context
09:14:05
torir:matrix.org:
Considering the channels are logged publicly, maybe the bridge should link to the message in the logs when the original message is old.
09:16:36
lza_menace:
oh - i was trying to replicate the checktxkey functionality outside of having a running wallet rpc but hitting a wall trying to code it (was using onion-monero-explorer as the base because it has that functionality)
09:18:23
lza_menace:
but im not proficient w/ c++. i found woodser's typescript library has it implemented through it's wasm whatever integration https://woodser.github.io/monero-ts/typedocs/classes/MoneroCheckTx.html
09:19:21
lza_menace:
kind of a happy medium. it's still a wallet ish process but not a running wallet i'd need to keep online with rpc interface, native to the rest of the code in my repo
09:38:36
datahoarder:
@torir:matrix.org: the link in logs is totally different from what it'd generate
09:39:05
datahoarder:
the replies also has more special handling needed, like converting threads or handling username/deleted messages
09:39:33
datahoarder:
like, I remembered the message I just had to click to go back in context
09:40:33
datahoarder:
not all channels are logged, that's why mrelay also has a server for all its own linkings
09:40:57
datahoarder:
also: something IRC hates with bridges. links everywhere.
09:41:51
datahoarder:
that makes it useless, one of the issues MAI had. I still dump them out as needed (long code snippets, media, 5+ lines messages) but it tries to handle replies in short form, or long context form as needed
09:42:29
datahoarder:
people do the same thing in IRC. Quote some message from several days ago, reply to it. Then you need to remember context or go back in backlog :)
09:51:05
datahoarder:
@lza_menace: doesn't that still call RPC in the end?
09:51:49
datahoarder:
Yeah, check_tx_key from me looking at source code
09:52:18
datahoarder:
given you only have the txid you still need to get the transaction at some point, yeah
09:52:34
datahoarder:
So in the end it goes back to monero code itself :)
09:52:57
datahoarder:
All the reimplementations started due to needing calls to transactions or blocks that monero might be unaware of yet, or orphans :)
09:53:07
datahoarder:
Then ... scope grew past P2Pool
09:53:27
datahoarder:
You can see all I implement https://git.gammaspectra.live/P2Pool/consensus#libraries-in-this-package and https://git.gammaspectra.live/P2Pool/consensus#other-maintained-external-libraries
10:32:20
Cindy:
DataHoarder is very cool
11:02:05
DataHoarder:
totally not an alt
11:02:33
Cindy:
you'd be weird if i was an alt
11:22:00
everchange000:matrix.org:
Is it possible to mine using p2pool via i2p?
11:22:06
everchange000:matrix.org:
I'm not quite sure how the network communication works.
11:22:51
Cindy_:
yes, but you'll find muchless peers to talk to
11:22:53
Cindy_:
much less*
11:24:53
everchange000:matrix.org:
which would mean?
11:25:09
everchange000:matrix.org:
a lot more volatile reward?
11:26:09
everchange000:matrix.org:
someone should be like: If you join this i2p network, then you will get .1 xmr after your first week.
11:31:09
Cindy_:
it means that you won't be able to find more people to submit shares to
11:32:03
Cindy_:
I2P doesn't have a way of communicating with peers outside I2P like tor does
11:37:51
sech1:
P2Pool doesn't support i2p
11:42:03
BlueyHealer:
Cindy_, it does have outproxies though - just that they're kind of an afterthought
11:43:51
everchange000:matrix.org:
...thanks Obama
11:45:23
Obama:
no problem B)
11:49:59
Cindy_:
just use p2pool with tor or something
11:50:07
Cindy_:
oh wait, port listening
11:53:10
sech1:
Listening is possible with tor, just on an .onion address
11:53:42
Cindy_:
that is if the peer you're talking to knows how to handle .onion addresses
12:09:15
sech1:
If it runs with for socks5 proxy, it knows
12:09:38
sech1:
*tor socks5
12:34:37
Cindy_:
https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1ptyym8/hot_take_most_web3_adoption_fails_because/
12:34:46
Cindy_:
anyone know wtf is this guy yapping about?
12:36:07
Cindy_:
https://old.reddit.com/user/hotteeeeen
12:36:15
Cindy_:
oh wow, it's just a cryptobro spammer
12:43:35
Cindy_:
what's with the amount of scammers this christmas, holy shit
12:46:58
321bob321:
Probably get worse with AI
12:48:02
Cindy_:
i guess when it's the holidays, and you got nothing better to do
13:40:11
BlueyHealer:
Why is "presale" even important for a utility thing lol
13:49:46
Cindy_:
BlueyHealer: it's a shitcoin
15:25:25
lza_menace:
I think so, but it’s more abstracted away so I don’t care :) > <@datahoarder> doesn't that still call RPC in the end?
16:07:46
lza_menace:
actually, it looks like it's using the same code as running check_tx_key in the wallet cli. it will utilize a running node to provide some details but it's not necessarily an rpc call to a wallet rpc interface
16:07:51
lza_menace:
https://github.com/search?q=repo%3Awoodser%2Fmonero-ts%20check_tx_key&type=code
16:08:40
lza_menace:
i wanted to avoid having to ship a wallet rpc process to keep next to the backend for querying, just another thing to break. this way feels cleaner to me
16:09:40
Cindy_:
note that to see your link, people have to login to github
16:10:00
lza_menace:
seriously? github locking their stuff down now i guess
16:10:02
lza_menace:
lame
16:10:24
Cindy_:
they have locked down search for a long time
16:11:01
lza_menace:
didn't realize
16:11:30
BlueyHealer:
wtf. Indeed.
16:11:53
lza_menace:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/monero.social/EOSBlHwinqRMEYDNgFKrGeJt.png (image.png)
16:11:54
lza_menace:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/monero.social/VEgSrjomdUBUyAaZTtHwyxjb.png (image.png)
16:12:44
Cindy_:
so to run monero-ts.. you also need webassembly
16:13:02
ofrnxmr:
Youve had to login to search within code for a long time
16:13:40
ofrnxmr:
I wonder if you can just search bing with site:github.com🥲
16:27:26
lza_menace:
Cindy_: :shrug: idk, i'm just a simple web dev. using a javascript runtime called deno that has typescript support
18:06:42
Staff_Jarred:
[Network Announcement] God will never leave Russia, he will continue to gift Russia his divine protection - watch President Putin's Christmas speech at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdQA0BlZwtY. Death to Trump, Elon, Zelenskyy and other fascists. Merry Christmas from the Libera staff!
18:08:39
gan:skhron.org:
the real speech was: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BANduPqxPEQ
18:08:50
Cindy_:
that's a spambot you just talked to :P
18:08:58
Cindy_:
first time ON IRC
18:09:21
hooftly:matrix.org:
Lol
18:09:47
Cindy_:
libera is getting hit by a spamwave and the staff are trying their best to stop it lol
18:10:04
gan:skhron.org:
It's just a joke, I'm not exactly talking to anyone (quite literally actually), plus I bet someone will have curiosity to see what I've posted
18:10:50
Cindy_:
they're using different names and IPs and going through all the channels
18:10:58
hooftly:matrix.org:
I did a double take not gonna lie
18:11:16
Cindy_:
lol i get ya
18:11:23
hooftly:matrix.org:
@gan:skhron.org: I enjoyed your response lol
18:20:08
Cindy_:
so apparently the guy who made the spambot was boasting about it in #libera
18:20:14
Cindy_:
until he got K-lined
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21:18:26
Cindy_:
plowsof: are you online?
21:18:42
Cindy_:
+R the channel and other #monero channels
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plowsof:
Lets see if it helps
21:25:54
plowsof:
Yeah +r works, oh well
23:12:11
Cindy_:
hi