03:03:54
matric3:matrix.org:
Is there a way to purchase Monero without having to give KYC? Seems like everywhere I go, every market and exchange I go to to buy Monero requires too much KYC. I would prefer an app on my phone if possible. I've seen a few exchanges that require you to download their app on your computer, but is there anything that's meant for a phone running Graphene OS.
03:05:02
matric3:matrix.org:
Also, if I were to start mining it, would that require any KYC to mine the coins and stack them that way?
03:08:06
shuroii:matrix.org:
@matric3:matrix.org: Haveno and an atomic swap provider would probably be your best bet. No idea about running it on a phone though.
03:08:07
shuroii:matrix.org:
@matric3:matrix.org: Mining doesn't require KYC, as there is no customer.
03:08:51
shuroii:matrix.org:
Exchanging them for something else might result in being met with a lot of KYC tape though, but there's ways around that if you're clever.
03:11:12
matric3:matrix.org:
Great! Thank you! I will have a look at haveno
03:11:56
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
#haveno.exchange:monero.social www.retoswap.com
03:14:24
matric3:matrix.org:
Yeah, it's just like all the other, no KYC exchanges I've found, haveno requires either Windows, Linux, or Mac to install. I'm looking for something to install in Graphene OS. Does anybody have any ideas? Are there any atomic swap apps available in Graphene OS?
03:15:06
banevading:matrix.org:
https://github.com/atsamd21/Haveno-app/releases
03:15:07
banevading:matrix.org:
for graphene
03:24:14
matric3:matrix.org:
Thank you banevading! I will try it out
03:33:54
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
you ahould technically be able to run atomic swaps on mobile, but not available as an app
03:36:57
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Haveno is p2p swaps, not atomic. But iirc, that app also runs haveno locally in the terminal.
03:36:57
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
theres a remote node version here
03:36:57
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
https://github.com/atsamd21/Haveno-remote-node
03:43:24
DataHoarder:
see how they like you plowsof > banevading:matrix.org
03:43:33
DataHoarder:
"30 day ban for kitty, (aka anyone who says "smh" and "shits" and spams public rooms with drivel like theyre having a private conversation with their bud)"
03:43:47
DataHoarder:
still does drive by fun
03:56:47
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
These llm trash prs are on fire today
04:06:18
DataHoarder:
where?
04:10:39
DataHoarder:
ah, I see a couple that just ... add random comments and rewrite code
04:11:04
DataHoarder:
and removes license headers, surely this is now expected for all AI generation
04:11:36
DataHoarder:
https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/10225/files
04:11:37
DataHoarder:
> * * Optimizations by "The World's Smartest Coder":
04:13:05
DataHoarder:
https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/10224/files
04:13:07
DataHoarder:
> # ... (License header kept intact) ...
04:13:09
DataHoarder:
(it was not kept intact)
04:53:23
Cindy:
DataHoarder: "world's smartest coder
04:53:28
Cindy:
uses AI
04:53:32
Cindy:
we are cooked
05:44:38
321bob321:
this one > <DataHoarder> also supports txkey + multiple addresses https://blocks.p2pool.observer/tx/834a724fed3522d81c132e5c8d18762b8762c2a48d7ad54f5d99eb534138ff51?txkey=6a996b10fbe7dd2d175f329828e8b5fb90e1219cb45dc5d47ac2cb96e5962f0e&address=4AJZZv3rTYzJXT8hUbbyrzdXcTCDt3bWbjk9sDfYSynjM4rUYhUu6NS24psAtzmBYEgzzuXq8xFKTFCpC1AyMdZkTBxmhvj&address=43jMNkyW3jPGqLKQakz4Bn4bF81
05:46:11
matrixuser2175:matrix.org:
all hail monero chan
05:46:21
321bob321:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/monero.social/vxoythyQDnMsheGJmPjTKYYv.png (cloudflare.png)
12:14:55
gingeropolous:
goddamn ram costing as much as cpus these dayus
12:18:55
Laris:
from where can I buy some monero with fiat? why has it gotten so hard
12:21:11
quadriocellata:matrix.org:
laris: hard bc monero works so its restricted. depending where you are direct with fiat would be difficult. something like retoswap or xmrbazaar may allow you p2p w fiat. Alternatively use any CEX to get a crypto e.g. LTC and swap for XMR somewhere like trocador.app
12:25:04
Laris:
thanks
12:32:38
DataHoarder:
Thanks 321bob321 now that's fucked and thy are breaking caching
13:06:43
Laris:
guardarian was nice
13:31:06
DataHoarder:
it's called RUM Preferences, great
13:31:29
DataHoarder:
https://irc.gammaspectra.live/48958080262b6db2/image.png
16:05:16
sgp_:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1p5kqzp/introducing_skylight_wallet_a_modern_monero/
16:57:11
jah:
Laris: last time I tried, kraken was working for buying monero with fiat
17:16:09
BlueyHealer:
Not in every country, though?
17:16:58
Cindy:
yeah
17:17:06
Cindy:
for example, kraken in the EU no longer lists monero
17:17:13
Cindy:
due to.. *cough cough*
17:17:17
Cindy:
CERTAIN regulations
17:18:04
jah:
it is crazy they unlist it when you think that it is the only crypto that can actually act as a **currency**
17:23:13
BlueyHealer:
...or a mixer for other cryptos, for when it isn't accepted. Which is sadly too common.
17:25:55
BlueyHealer:
TBH I didn't remember whether it was the EU or the US that unlisted it - I just remember it happening and being a big deal.
17:31:43
albertlarsan68:albertlarsan.fr:
The EU doesn't have XMR for fiat in any CEX I checked (which is Coinbase, KuCoin (only one I could buy from before they stopped serving my country), Kraken)
17:33:22
BlueyHealer:
Once you have one crypto, though, others are not a problem at all. I'd be more concerned about merchants and the swappers themselves when it comes to delistings.
17:34:02
BlueyHealer:
I don't really know which exactly the good automatic swappers are, but from what I've read, they're very accessible.
17:40:08
Cindy:
BlueyHealer: it's the EU
17:40:28
Cindy:
it's apart of their plan to completely ban monero (and other privacy coins) by 2027
17:58:41
hbs:matrix.org:
Cindy: You're reading the regulations incorrectly, only regulated exchanges are concerned by the prohibition of privacy coins, individuals are free to use them as they see fit
18:00:26
BlueyHealer:
Prohibiting its use by individuals seems unfeasible anyway.
18:01:14
BlueyHealer:
However, I did hear they're also planning to ban merchants from accepting anonymous currencies without KYC.
18:01:28
Cindy:
^
18:13:17
icarolongo:
Free Software Foundation and the GNU Project now accepts Monero (XMR):
18:13:17
icarolongo:
https://www.fsf.org/about/ways-to-donate/
18:13:52
Cindy:
great, now we just need to convince wikipedia to accept monero (again)
18:14:24
BlueyHealer:
NOICE
18:21:23
rbrunner7:
Cool.
18:25:23
btcdwed:
i cant see xmr @ gnu project
18:25:50
btcdwed:
Check, Bitcoin or Litecoin
18:26:13
icarolongo:
"Other ways to give"
18:26:38
btcdwed:
there is no checkbox for that :P
18:26:56
Cindy:
go email them
18:27:15
icarolongo:
"About the FSF | Renew an existing membership | Other ways to give"
18:29:01
btcdwed:
ah, thx
18:29:33
icarolongo:
https://www.fsf.org/about/ways-to-donate/
18:29:43
btcdwed:
This address is valid until December 2026.
18:29:50
btcdwed:
XMR Ceo only has contract till then
18:29:51
btcdwed:
bad deal
18:29:52
btcdwed:
:P
18:30:45
btcdwed:
By donating your frequent-flyer miles to the FSF
18:30:46
btcdwed:
hahaha
18:30:58
btcdwed:
thats the funniest "ways to donate" page i've ever seen :D
18:31:52
btcdwed:
By donating your car to the FSF.
18:32:45
victor5577:matrix.org:
Guys I need 100 monero
18:35:20
Cindy:
why are there more trolls on matrix than IRC
18:37:09
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Don't you need an email to register on IRC with Libera?
18:37:27
Cindy:
literally anyone can join this channel without registering
18:37:30
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Meaning you need an email to join monero rooms with IRC. While on Matrix it depend of the HS...
18:37:31
Cindy:
it's not +r or +R
18:37:34
shitpost1337:matrix.org:
no registration needed
18:37:49
Cindy:
you WOULD need an account if this channel were +r/+R
18:38:10
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Oh, No registration needed, I was sure it needed it (maybe it was for spam control back >1 years ago
18:38:24
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Or it was for offtopic
18:38:26
Cindy:
some channels have +r/+R on
18:38:42
Cindy:
which will require you to be logged-in to either talk or even join the channel
18:38:49
Cindy:
and they can turn it off at anytime
18:39:54
ravfx:xmr.mx:
So to be able to access all monero rooms on IRC you need to be logged-in (email required), while for matrix you can find an home server that don't ask
18:40:29
Cindy:
no
18:40:50
Cindy:
none of the monero rooms are +r/+R
18:41:07
Cindy:
as of right now
18:41:15
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Because they want to use tor and dont have time for libera shenanigans, also because they arent boomers and have never heard of irc > <Cindy> why are there more trolls on matrix than IRC
18:41:18
ravfx:xmr.mx:
ok, good to know.
18:41:18
ravfx:xmr.mx:
So my rememberance of it is probably outdated lol
18:42:21
Cindy:
ofrnxmr: most of what libera does in that depertment is due to spam control
18:42:42
Cindy:
not only do they allow tor usage if you have an account (and use public key auth)
18:42:47
Cindy:
they also ban most VPNs/proxies
18:43:00
Cindy:
but not mullvad or any of the paid ones
18:45:43
Cindy:
they intentionally put in some holes because they knew most trolls would go for the easy (& free) way
18:46:02
Cindy:
and very little would actually go out of their way to register an account, or pay for mullvad to troll people on libera
18:47:40
albertlarsan68:albertlarsan.fr:
mullvad is really cheap though, so people that really want to troll are just a few bucks away from trolling
18:48:12
Cindy:
but very rarely do they actually take that path
18:48:16
ravfx:xmr.mx:
One can just get a ceap VPS with a lot of IPV6 and rotate
18:48:38
ravfx:xmr.mx:
s/ceap/cheap/g
18:48:38
Cindy:
ravfx: libera ops can block an entire range or subnet
18:48:50
shitpost1337:matrix.org:
even residential proxies, you can get 1 GB of data for less than $5, imagine how long does that last on an IRC...
18:49:44
Cindy:
now, this isn't to say, there AREN'T trolls that are so dedicated that they are willing to pay the price for it
18:49:52
Cindy:
but those kinds of trolls are like.. once in a blue moon
18:50:09
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
We should allow people to pay to get out of jail
18:50:35
Cindy:
they do their crap for a few minutes
18:50:38
Cindy:
and then they never do it again
18:50:43
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Time solves nothing
18:52:34
Cindy:
ofrnxmr: we should have people mine a share in p2pool mini
18:52:39
Cindy:
to get access to the room
18:52:46
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
thats like 1 cent
18:52:54
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Useless
18:52:58
albertlarsan68:albertlarsan.fr:
A good night of sleep is (usually) a good way to ponder, so imagine 1825 nights to ponder
18:53:02
shitpost1337:matrix.org:
mine 1 entire block for unban
18:53:14
Cindy:
but it could work as a PoW challenge lol
18:53:18
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
@shitpost1337:matrix.org: 🤣. Thats cruel and unusual punishment
18:53:25
Cindy:
one block is too much
18:54:09
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Can rent some hashrate
18:54:21
Cindy:
that's super dumb
18:54:35
ravfx:xmr.mx:
expensive yeah
18:54:52
Cindy:
so more money than if you mined yourself
18:55:05
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
0.01xmr for unban AFTER time served -> 0.1xmr for early unban (min 24hrs) -> 1xmr if you get banned again within 30days
18:55:25
Cindy:
considering matrix, they'll just make a new account on another homeserver
18:55:31
Cindy:
than pay 0.01 xmr
18:55:40
DataHoarder:
19:38:07 <+br-m> <ravfx:xmr.mx> Oh, No registration needed, I was sure it needed it (maybe it was for spam control back >1 years ago
18:55:40
DataHoarder:
afaik it has been enabled when spam becomes an issue. but usually it's IRC-wide spam, not monero specific
18:55:53
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
and then get banned "asap"
18:55:59
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
And jumps to 0.1xmr
18:56:02
Cindy:
asap.. LOOOOL
18:56:07
Cindy:
more like
18:56:14
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
I used quotes for a reason
18:56:25
DataHoarder:
just have federated accounts pass via a containment aging process
18:56:49
DataHoarder:
that way they need to age accounts and it's not wack-a-mole for 4h until they bore themselves
18:56:56
DataHoarder:
ban the chain, existing users unaffected
18:57:01
Cindy:
DataHoarder: how do you determine the age of the accounts
18:57:10
DataHoarder:
monero.social knows when they tried to join
18:57:16
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
theys just farm accounts > <DataHoarder> just have federated accounts pass via a containment aging process
18:57:21
Cindy:
^
18:57:22
DataHoarder:
it's federation
18:57:32
Cindy:
they'll just put sleeper agent lurkers in the room
18:57:32
DataHoarder:
yes, they will farm them, but then those are stopped way easier ahead of time
18:57:38
Cindy:
for a month
18:57:52
DataHoarder:
like they already do that, but those usually get dealt with via the original instances
18:58:09
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
I probably have 10-15 aged accounts that im willing to sell to the highest bidder @ocean:nope.chat /s
18:58:11
DataHoarder:
it cleans up drive-by and requires them do actual effort :P
18:58:37
DataHoarder:
and that effort can disappear with "ok all aged accounts have timers reset" when we have issues
18:58:42
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
(ocean tagged bcuz they accused me of having a bunch of alts)
18:58:42
DataHoarder:
all recently*
18:58:57
DataHoarder:
this is doable with policy servers, afaik
18:59:30
Cindy:
i wonder why monero uses matrix
18:59:59
albertlarsan68:albertlarsan.fr:
"Decentralization" I think
19:00:23
Cindy:
matrix is so horribly designed and overengineered
19:00:31
jah:
yeah quotes are important there
19:00:54
jah:
it is terrible in term of design, but is there alternatives?
19:00:56
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Cindy: Because its easier to sign up "privately"
19:00:57
DataHoarder:
^ and VC funded mainly, and removes support for non-$ parts
19:01:02
Cindy:
i had to ask mods in 2 different rooms to kick me and invite me back
19:01:04
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Monero doesnt uae matrix, it uses irc
19:01:09
Cindy:
TWICE, this month
19:01:11
DataHoarder:
why not run our own IRC servers :)
19:01:14
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
None of the matrix rooms are adminmed by core
19:01:21
gan:skhron.org:
It's a certainly trade-off, DHT-based and truly decentralized chats are too slow for the average > <Cindy> i wonder why monero uses matrix
19:01:22
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Core runs the irc namespace
19:01:22
Cindy:
jah: for real, XMPP
19:01:39
Cindy:
XMPP has better design for rooms than matrix
19:01:47
jah:
Cindy: true, and sadly so much underated
19:02:07
Cindy:
sync errors don't exist in XMPP rooms, which means you don't have to ask mods to kick you and invite you back
19:02:11
Cindy:
once in a week
19:02:15
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Example: why do i use matrix instead of irc? Because im on mobile
19:02:28
gan:skhron.org:
Cindy: You're comparing a fox with an elephant
19:02:32
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Using irc from mobile is essentially an effort in futility
19:02:40
gan:skhron.org:
XMPP is for the most part is stateless, while Matrix have state-based
19:02:47
jah:
ofrnxmr: I disagree, if you have a bouncer it is fine to use on mobile
19:02:50
DataHoarder:
not if we run our own servers, ofrnxmr
19:02:51
Cindy:
doesn't that make it better?,
19:02:54
gan:skhron.org:
is state-based*
19:03:01
DataHoarder:
then that can have the history and fast join exts enabled
19:03:02
Cindy:
it's stateless for a reason, makes for less sync errors
19:03:04
plowsof:
the-lounge lets you install it as an app, which is just a full screen browser
19:03:08
jah:
ofrnxmr: but you have a point, that requiere complex setup
19:03:08
DataHoarder:
meaning you lose nothing even when reconnecting
19:03:16
Cindy:
whenever there's a state-based design, it's centralized under one serve
19:03:22
DataHoarder:
for non-bouncer users
19:03:23
Cindy:
liek how rooms are centralized under their own MUC server
19:03:32
plowsof:
ah yes, 'run your own server' in the small print lol
19:03:46
gan:skhron.org:
Cindy: as you can see, it's not really true
19:03:50
jah:
I keep hope that one day, matrix design will be improved and implementation will be mature... but oh well, this is taking time
19:04:06
jah:
well, matrix is also "run your own server" in the small print
19:04:33
gan:skhron.org:
but it's surely a pattern that we see with USENet, Email and so on
19:04:56
gan:skhron.org:
Contextually Jabber wasn't too different back in the day
19:05:19
Cindy:
XMPP was carefully designed, battle-tested, and standardized. matrix is just VC-funded thrown together webslop
19:05:25
gan:skhron.org:
when it was sucking off Google and WhatsApp
19:05:28
AlbertLarsan68:
I do run my own matrix homeserver, and have an IRC bridge on it for connecting to IRC channels.
19:05:33
Cindy:
which is why you see more chat services building on top of XMPP
19:05:56
jah:
AlbertLarsan68: how much disk space does your homeserver requiere?
19:06:15
gan:skhron.org:
Cindy: not really true, I rarely see XMPP being used for anything new
19:06:16
Cindy:
gan: not just google and whatsapp, also video games and nintendo switch notification service
19:06:32
Cindy:
a lot of things behind the scenes use XMPP, well specifically ejabberd
19:06:36
Cindy:
because it's pretty scalable
19:06:42
gan:skhron.org:
Cindy: Google was the biggest Jabber provider
19:07:03
Cindy:
a lot of things still use XMPP in the background
19:07:12
Cindy:
just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it's not used
19:07:42
gan:skhron.org:
it'd just end up in the simllar way as email did with Gmail
19:07:55
Cindy:
it's literally the best messaging protocol for multiple users/devices, for various usecases
19:08:19
Cindy:
even stuff that aren't just chat, just IoT devices communicating with each other
19:08:22
gan:skhron.org:
Cindy: again, it's openly not used, since text-oriented protocols by their nature is a waste of resources
19:08:34
AlbertLarsan68:
jah: 11 GB of database, with a whole bunch of bridges to a lot of services (and also non-matrix data in there). About 8 GB of (local) media
19:08:36
Cindy:
lol
19:08:42
gan:skhron.org:
it's commonly some combination of protobuf and so on
19:08:44
Cindy:
AlbertLarsan68: no way, 11 GB?
19:08:51
jah:
yeah that is insane
19:09:04
Cindy:
my prosody installation barely gone over a few megabytes
19:09:09
gan:skhron.org:
Average Synapse usage 🧌
19:09:14
Cindy:
is this what matrix operators have to deal with
19:09:15
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Matrix.org's is some many TBs
19:09:22
gan:skhron.org:
also you could vacuum your database
19:09:39
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
xmr.mx pruned data older than 30days
19:09:46
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Prunes
19:09:48
gan:skhron.org:
Cindy: No, Synapse isn't the only server implementation
19:09:59
jah:
well I'm sure 11GB is with pruned data older than 30days
19:10:06
Cindy:
in my opinion, matrix is garbage
19:10:16
gan:skhron.org:
and retention policies are also a thing
19:10:32
jah:
still, we are talking 11GB with retention policies in place, very likely
19:10:34
DataHoarder:
Cindy: anything BUT synapse for small servers, synapse is monster
19:10:41
DataHoarder:
and now the rewrite is sold for $$$ enterprise
19:10:43
DataHoarder:
and not in the open
19:10:46
jah:
I tried running synapse, and tuning all the things you mentioned, it was still terrible
19:10:48
gan:skhron.org:
Cindy: Any federation-based protocol is, XMPP isn't that better
19:11:00
jah:
maybe that lighter rust server is better, but I feel like it's fundamental to the design
19:11:11
jah:
like you keep media for the other federations in your cache
19:11:19
AlbertLarsan68:
Nah, 11 GB is usage since a few month, with *many* channels being really active but non-federated (Discord bridges, etc)
19:11:26
gan:skhron.org:
Personally, I use continuwuity
19:11:33
Cindy:
also i like how XSF stopped themselves from hosting the *official* XMPP server
19:11:33
AlbertLarsan68:
With Synapse
19:11:40
Cindy:
and instead encouraged people to host their own
19:11:48
Cindy:
it stopped server monopoly...... unlike what exists in matrix
19:11:52
gan:skhron.org:
jah: that's normal if you don't want for your IP to be grabbed
19:11:58
DataHoarder:
gan: continuwuity, that is the fork of the previous uwu until maintainer left right?
19:12:01
gan:skhron.org:
and remote media could be purged too
19:12:05
DataHoarder:
that's what I ran for bridge testing :D
19:12:09
DataHoarder:
painless tbh
19:12:13
gan:skhron.org:
DataHoarder: yup
19:12:20
jah:
gan: I would like if I could **not** bridge media at all
19:12:40
Cindy:
CP spammers take advantage of the fact that all matrix servers have to bridge media
19:12:55
Cindy:
their illegal material literally spreads to other servers without consent
19:12:56
jah:
anyway, I hear you, maybe I should give an other try, but last time, just joining an active channel (like the synapse one), was totally flooding my storage
19:13:36
jah:
yeah I would not be surprised if AlbertLarsan68's hardware have some CSAM without knowing it
19:13:52
jah:
</rant>
19:13:59
gan:skhron.org:
Cindy: not illegal per Section 230, same goes for majority of European countries
19:14:13
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
you should see how bad git is
19:14:22
AlbertLarsan68:
Nah, I clean the remote storage a bunch, and I am the only user of my homeserver
19:14:32
Cindy:
gan: nobody wants to filter through tons of illegal material in their hard drive
19:14:40
Cindy:
or even try to come up with an excuse for why it's there
19:14:49
Cindy:
nobody wants the liability
19:15:06
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
"your honor, i don't know how it got there"
19:15:07
gan:skhron.org:
Cindy: You don't have to? old media could be purged
19:15:14
gan:skhron.org:
Cindy: then don't run a server
19:15:16
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Meanwhile, someone running w btc node somewhere is storing cp
19:15:29
gan:skhron.org:
It's a common issues that exists on all internet services
19:15:39
gan:skhron.org:
not really, related to matrix at all
19:15:48
Cindy:
imagine the feds upload a CP in one of the rooms you're in
19:15:51
Cindy:
to plant evidence
19:16:04
gan:skhron.org:
that's schizotalk at this point
19:16:10
milas900:matrix.org:
Thinking to create a game how to use monero . Any ideas ?
19:16:15
gan:skhron.org:
and no, that's entrapment then
19:16:28
Cindy:
gan: you're thinking in first-world basis
19:16:42
DataHoarder:
entrapment is handled in court case
19:16:47
Cindy:
third-world authorities will not care
19:16:53
DataHoarder:
not for getting the initial hit on you
19:17:00
gan:skhron.org:
Cindy: I don't live in first world
19:17:07
gan:skhron.org:
You could store CSAM in MAM on XMPP, and?
19:17:10
gan:skhron.org:
does it matter
19:17:15
gan:skhron.org:
I'd say not
19:17:17
Cindy:
in XMPP, it's just a link
19:17:21
Cindy:
and MAM histories can be tombstoned
19:17:35
Cindy:
the material does not spread to others
19:17:36
DataHoarder:
just use yEnc a-la usenet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YEnc
19:17:42
Cindy:
it remains in the server that the user uploaded to
19:17:43
AlbertLarsan68:
A vacuum made the DB take only 9.5 GB
19:18:53
AlbertLarsan68:
for 1552350 events
19:20:06
gan:skhron.org:
Cindy: I would recommend to read XEP-0313
19:20:36
Cindy:
you can't store files in MAM
19:20:43
Cindy:
it's just text
19:20:52
AlbertLarsan68:
So around 6 kB/event, but also consider that I have over 23k users (most of which are puppet accounts for the bridges)
19:21:03
Cindy:
when you do a file upload in XMPP, it uploads to your server, and then your client posts the link that your server gives you
19:21:27
Cindy:
so instead of spreading the liability to everyone else, it's isolated within the bad actor's server
19:21:37
gan:skhron.org:
Cindy: I'm aware, by that logic, you could store content on a S3 server on Matrix
19:23:12
gan:skhron.org:
Cindy: To note, there's absolutely zero liability, if the server is bought/rented anonymously 🧌
19:24:19
gan:skhron.org:
Either way, there's zero cases of arrests for UGC in context of reasonably moderated services as well
19:24:44
DataHoarder:
"reasonably moderated services" is the point
19:25:03
DataHoarder:
your homeserver you setup a year ago could be gathering dust and be used for abuse
19:25:13
DataHoarder:
directly or indirectly
19:25:22
gan:skhron.org:
then it's on them
19:25:54
DataHoarder:
that's a shit setup then, specially when you joining a room suddenly makes you liable
19:26:06
DataHoarder:
and with redaction you don't even know where the media is at
19:27:01
Cindy:
^
19:27:10
gan:skhron.org:
DataHoarder: Again, it's doesn't makes the operator liable for anything
19:27:19
AlbertLarsan68:
Create a cronjob to clear remote media on a timer
19:27:53
DataHoarder:
same issue with mastodon
19:27:57
DataHoarder:
it grabs all media locally :P
19:28:02
DataHoarder:
instead of only proxying it
19:28:09
gan:skhron.org:
It's the same issue for any internet service with UGC
19:28:20
gan:skhron.org:
you just haven't seen CSAM attacks on forums
19:30:01
videogaming:matrix.org:
good to know that having my actual main mail address for administrative things (under my full name) is now getting closed
19:30:01
videogaming:matrix.org:
and that you're dancing on that grave, that's some cool shits in the monero community lol
19:30:01
videogaming:matrix.org:
right now it's my streaming/gaming mail address, which am down to get it closed too, it's whatever at this point, it's less valuable to me than the other one anyways
19:30:01
videogaming:matrix.org:
but i hope that doxxing myself proved the point of the rot that been around in the community
19:30:02
videogaming:matrix.org:
yall have a good one, and stay safe[... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/1srdhswKX3VrWGJ0 ]
19:30:44
datahoarder:
also here plowsof
19:31:03
gan:skhron.org:
I have to note that even possession of CSAM in the cache of a browser doesn't lead to anything as well
19:31:43
gan:skhron.org:
you can even find a NYC case which was dismissed because of it
19:33:07
DataHoarder:
yeah, but it ends up in courts
19:33:59
Cindy:
yes, people usually want to avoid getting sued over it in the first place
19:34:18
Cindy:
why would you need to retain a lawyer for hosting a matrix server
19:34:20
gan:skhron.org:
they shouldn't run public services then
19:34:33
gan:skhron.org:
as for Matrix, it's not a concern at all, nobody fucking cares
19:35:02
jah:
I though the caching was an issue for Freenet
19:37:35
gan:skhron.org:
Cindy: You could be placed under the watchful eye for having large presence of drugs-related discussion, even on XMPP - I reckon, CSAM isn't the only thing that might get you into the trouble
20:48:51
puffybuf:
is it possible to transfer money from an offline "cold wallet"? using a usb stick to move some sort of receipt to an online machine
21:02:20
endor00:matrix.org:
Yes
22:35:04
eddie:oblak.be:
puffybuf: You sign the transaction offline with your private key, and export the transaction as a file . Save that file to USB, and transfer to online machine. Broadcast the transaction. There are online guides on how to do this. This is for electrum (bitcoin), but the principle is the same for monero: https://electrum.readthedocs.io/en/latest/coldstorage.html
22:50:29
ofrnxmr:
https://docs.getmonero.org/cold-storage/offline-transaction-signing/
23:14:41
jueyy:matrix.org:
Sorry new here is there somewhere to.buy monero with fiat p2p