12:04:35
redsh4de:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/YwoNIoHCmAbPKJdEVTcaYgSO.png (image.png) > <@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Also need a link to the workgroups page
12:05:27
redsh4de:matrix.org:
cooked up the workgroups page while at it
12:05:33
redsh4de:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/SVjiHFKkpRYZnXMOgOZNSEyD.png (image.png)
12:06:53
redsh4de:matrix.org:
main hero section for absolute beginners, then the rest organized into columns
12:17:35
plowsof:
beta site was showing an nginx error page because i mis configured something else, back now
12:18:19
321bob321:
Naughty
13:15:21
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
I would probably remove monero-space workgroup (afaik, its not relevant), add monero-events, add monero-docs, move policy out of research and into community, add research lounge link to research card
13:15:34
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
https://deploy-preview-2259--barolo-time-757cf9.netlify.app/community/workgroups
13:17:30
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
(dont have to remove monero-space, i just dont think its in use)
13:18:21
redsh4de:matrix.org:
yeah just checked, not active
13:19:26
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
And forum has scams like https://forum.monero.space/t/coreswaps-non-custodial-xmr-exchange-protocol-hopefully-more-no-kyc-exchanges-adopt-this/2068
13:28:42
redsh4de:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/VrzbyXceZoLTUwnXMEDycYoV.png (image.png) > <@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I would probably remove monero-space workgroup (afaik, its not relevant), add monero-events, add monero-docs, move policy out of research and into community, add research lounge link to research card
13:34:25
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Monero-support to community
13:34:25
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Monero-pow to research
13:34:25
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
idea: get rid of "seraphis wallet" card, and add #no-wallet-left-behind to the core development card
13:38:47
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
No-wallet-left-behind is a poor name, seraphis wallet is as well. As this room is used for fcmp++ related developments (seraphis has been shelved for years). There was loose consensus around renaming to monero-dev-lab (but it was never done)
13:39:49
redsh4de:matrix.org:
not sure what the best name would be for it ngl
13:47:07
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1054#issuecomment-2293932354
14:09:41
redsh4de:matrix.org:
eh loose consensus, good enough
14:12:48
redsh4de:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/iAyuLjojjXCXgEPWRyRsbwsu.png (image.png)
15:27:23
redsh4de:matrix.org:
deployed:
15:27:23
redsh4de:matrix.org:
https://beta.monerodevs.org/community/workgroups/
15:27:23
redsh4de:matrix.org:
https://beta.monerodevs.org/community/hangouts/
15:27:46
syntheticbird:
@redsh4de:matrix.org: looks fantastic
15:28:48
redsh4de:matrix.org:
thank you :D this is cleaner, adds context to what is what and doesn't overwhelm the user with just plain columns of cards
15:29:15
redsh4de:matrix.org:
i have about 4 pages left to complete
15:30:14
redsh4de:matrix.org:
and wire in localization for some i skipped, was too lazy to do it all at once
15:35:31
selsta:
should I force push 2584? or not necessary?
15:50:02
plowsof:
selsta not needed, binaryFate can set the correct date for them after merging 🙏
15:51:05
plowsof:
e.g. _posts/2026-01-07-monero-0.18.4.5-released.md -> _posts/2026-01-10-monero-0.18.4.5-released.md
16:16:16
redsh4de:matrix.org:
sponsors page!
16:16:22
redsh4de:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/mYuBspZAzHCsvCLxmcTdOhXg.png (image.png)
16:16:42
redsh4de:matrix.org:
monochrome logos get inverted on dark theme with CSS filters
16:17:33
redsh4de:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/ciJotvgAykRQtyALgipbBEam.png (image.png)
16:18:49
redsh4de:matrix.org:
making new pages after building a UI library is stupidly easy at this point
16:21:00
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Cypherstack's description shoukd probabky say "Monero Project infrastructure"
16:21:41
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
(i know its probably also wrong on love website, but might as well fix now)
16:22:41
nioc:
no-wallet-left=behind was chosen
16:23:08
nioc:
*no-wallet-left-behind was the name chosen for the channel
16:23:26
nioc:
what is being worked on there is the CARROT wallet
16:23:37
nioc:
and ofc FCMP++
16:25:16
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Actually, rbrunner wanted to call it monero tech, and the meeting are called as much. The change (addition) of new addresses was just never done and it carried on as no-wallet-left-behind, even though it is much more than wallet work
16:27:16
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Nwlb was initially chosen as a room to ensure that ecosystem was properly updated, but the room is now used for all things fcmp++, carrot, and essentialy "next" development
16:28:38
nioc:
*no-stone-left-unturned
16:43:15
redsh4de:matrix.org:
nicer call-to-action card to match the one from downloads instead of what-is-monero
16:43:19
redsh4de:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/dKJQdEievuGuomjWgNCyIEOL.png (image.png)
16:48:33
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
I think i might like the centered one
16:52:27
basses:matrix.org:
@redsh4de:matrix.org: I like https://nextra.site/docs/built-ins/callout#example
16:54:05
basses:matrix.org:
for asides, the one you have is good for call for action
17:05:55
redsh4de:matrix.org:
@basses:matrix.org: have a very similar component to this in the UI library - currently using it for small disclaimers within specific sections
17:06:06
redsh4de:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/HkEHILajfCxXBrobuqdUDQuh.png (image.png)
17:19:57
redsh4de:matrix.org:
@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: i think prob cause the spacing wasn't as polished
17:20:03
redsh4de:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/vVWIpmTGAmBjQpGnLVOreOlR.png (image.png)
17:21:18
redsh4de:matrix.org:
version with the button component
17:21:20
redsh4de:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/QAYaZGtWyXEueZFzhQcMHCVa.png (image.png)
17:31:04
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
I like the button better 👍 (But probably still like it centered)
17:31:29
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Thats just my opinion. Im not thinking to deep on it
17:31:37
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Too*
17:39:53
redsh4de:matrix.org:
agree, button feels more call-to-action-ish
18:01:48
redsh4de:matrix.org:
centered variant of the same component
18:02:26
redsh4de:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/bnanViZavAlXKfwdJSvcDwZV.png (image.png)
18:03:02
redsh4de:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/GCTRgKzWzWiBtZkiinAhUgzw.png (image.png)
18:03:15
redsh4de:matrix.org:
I guess that works nice too
18:16:08
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
That one has my vote
18:16:46
redsh4de:matrix.org:
Yeah, will merge this
18:16:46
redsh4de:matrix.org:
it will let me also use the same component in the what-is-monero page, although with some tweaks, as it needs two buttons
18:24:34
redsh4de:matrix.org:
alright we live https://beta.monerodevs.org/community/sponsorships/
18:45:52
redsh4de:matrix.org:
on what-is-monero
18:45:56
redsh4de:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/ZYOxHKhdnakomwcGDYdLeXwq.png (image.png)
18:51:15
basses:matrix.org:
@redsh4de:matrix.org: looks like a popup for newsletter
18:51:53
nioc:
https://beta.monerodevs.org/downloads/ doesn't say what version you are actually downloading
18:51:55
nioc:
after selecting the dropdown menu it stays open aka dropped down
18:53:07
redsh4de:matrix.org:
nioc: the version info is under the download button, w/ the source link and release notes
18:53:16
redsh4de:matrix.org:
nioc: have an open issue for this: https://github.com/redsh4de/monero-site/issues/78
18:54:02
redsh4de:matrix.org:
@redsh4de:matrix.org: could be made more prominent though
18:55:16
redsh4de:matrix.org:
@basses:matrix.org: border on top & bottom would make it look less so? (assuming thats a bad thing
18:55:33
basses:matrix.org:
nioc: it is mentioned below, adding it to dopdown is repeatitive
18:55:51
basses:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/YyDOidaTgcUprqjYhwqoPykb.png (clipboard.png)
18:57:09
basses:matrix.org:
@redsh4de:matrix.org: idk tbh, reading it I literally thought it was a signup for something (newsletter etc)
18:57:14
basses:matrix.org:
perhaps rewording?
18:57:42
redsh4de:matrix.org:
yeah i can see how the wording can make it so
18:58:19
redsh4de:matrix.org:
maybe starting with "Download" instead of "Join", as the latter definitely can make you think its some "join my newsletter" blurb
18:58:33
nioc:
I didn't scroll the page down far enough to see it and even so it should be more prominent
19:00:03
redsh4de:matrix.org:
nioc: two possible place where it could look better
19:00:06
redsh4de:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/QGxAPoNrjDeUlNDyySHKZaKa.png (image.png)
19:00:09
nioc:
when I open page the download button touches the very bottom of the screen which is why I missed it
19:00:24
basses:matrix.org:
@redsh4de:matrix.org: yeah "join" is usually used for subscribing to something
19:00:53
nioc:
have to scroll past the DL button
19:02:19
redsh4de:matrix.org:
@basses:matrix.org: "Download a wallet and take control of your financial privacy today." - option
19:02:43
redsh4de:matrix.org:
nioc: valid yeah, i'll see how it looks right aligned relative to the title
19:06:11
basses:matrix.org:
I dont mind the postion, right aligned is a bit far away that user reading it might not even notice it, I mean it is mentioned literally below the Download button, and on website you are expected to always download the latest version
19:09:39
redsh4de:matrix.org:
i like this too
19:09:42
redsh4de:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/WNKTvdJLuuXSEaDMqXdwchdN.png (image.png)
19:10:03
redsh4de:matrix.org:
keeping the version name under the button, but moving just the version to a version badge that's immediately visible
19:12:24
basses:matrix.org:
@redsh4de:matrix.org: fluorine now looks like author name
19:12:43
redsh4de:matrix.org:
true, lemme just get rid of it
19:12:58
redsh4de:matrix.org:
or put it as a subtitle in the version badge
19:12:58
basses:matrix.org:
the only website that I know that uses edition names like monero does is linux mint
19:13:14
basses:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/YXYiutTXaltwmIFKwNXRIQlq.png (clipboard.png)
19:13:16
basses:matrix.org:
https://linuxmint.com/
19:13:19
basses:matrix.org:
thats how they put it
19:14:03
basses:matrix.org:
@redsh4de:matrix.org: I would just put it as it was full text at top right
19:14:44
basses:matrix.org:
subtitle as below the version badge?
19:14:48
basses:matrix.org:
make actually look better
19:14:59
redsh4de:matrix.org:
yea changing stuff around to try that
19:15:07
redsh4de:matrix.org:
--font-size-xs or sm
19:16:13
ofrnxmr:
And ubuntu, and debian > <@basses:matrix.org> the only website that I know that uses edition names like monero does is linux mint
19:17:52
redsh4de:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/NAxbzwxEIJiHLoqmczqnNUWs.png (image.png)
19:19:07
redsh4de:matrix.org:
should be in quotes ig otherwise looks a bit authory as well
19:19:43
redsh4de:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/uwSEZJUjLKIBzWxfVxcnYwZT.png (image.png)
19:31:04
redsh4de:matrix.org:
alright we live: https://beta.monerodevs.org/downloads/
19:55:38
rsch:
hi
19:55:44
redsh4de:matrix.org:
hello!
19:55:44
rsch:
I want to contribute to the monero website. I have some bigger changes planed. is there someone from the dev team here available to talk about it?
19:56:02
rsch:
or should I just do a PR?
19:57:55
redsh4de:matrix.org:
if its regarding the current live website, then a PR is fine or opening a issue on github to discuss
19:58:10
redsh4de:matrix.org:
since it's a bigger change id probably open a issue first
19:59:04
rsch:
I dont want to discuss endless I want to present something and get feedback.
19:59:31
rsch:
the question is if I present it as a PR or as an external upload
19:59:32
redsh4de:matrix.org:
this channel would be it then
20:02:04
redsh4de:matrix.org:
open a PR in that case
20:02:35
rsch:
yea I can do that. are you from the website team?
20:03:41
redsh4de:matrix.org:
i am leading the development of the website redesign / migration to Astro - for the current one, the active maintainers are @plowsof:matrix.org @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx
20:05:38
rsch:
I am a fan of monero and want to contribute to the project and the current website does not reflect the power of monero. I want to change that and offer my help to become responsible for the new website. I had to start from scratch and implement a new version with a new tech stack. before I migrate the entire content I wanted to know if my help is appriciated in the first place. here is a demo:
20:05:44
rsch:
https://www.berlinersoftware.de/monero/
20:06:24
ofrnxmr:
https://beta.monerodevs.org
20:06:38
rsch:
I have seen it already but it was offline yesterday.
20:07:05
ofrnxmr:
was technical difficulties. Its back online
20:07:10
rsch:
so if my help is not welcomed its ok I dont continue contributing. its just an offer
20:08:07
elongated:matrix.org:
@ofrnxmr: Is that the final design ?
20:08:17
ofrnxmr:
Near final, yes
20:08:32
redsh4de:matrix.org:
@elongated:matrix.org: there was consensus a good while ago already on the new design direction (design by Diego Salazar, Astro framework, no JavaScript)
20:08:32
redsh4de:matrix.org:
you are welcome to contribute to the current development effort though, its nearing completion but there are still a few pages and things that need to be complete
20:08:43
ofrnxmr:
rsch: Always welcome, but we're moving forward with the design at https://beta.monerodevs.org
20:09:14
redsh4de:matrix.org:
@ofrnxmr: iirc @diego:cypherstack.com wanted to make a new version of the hero section on the index page
20:09:16
elongated:matrix.org:
@ofrnxmr: You need to get feedback from some ui professionals
20:09:16
elongated:matrix.org:
The small logo on top, a round monero bg looks weird and not standard
20:09:42
elongated:matrix.org:
Needs polish
20:10:12
ofrnxmr:
Its not final - not on monero-project repos and not deployed officially. feedback is being given and received daily
20:10:36
rsch:
look to my draft and compare it with https://beta.monerodevs.org. I dont want to offend anyone but monero needs some extra. not just content displayed on a screen. it needs a wow effect.
20:10:43
redsh4de:matrix.org:
@redsh4de:matrix.org: the round monero bg was that part
20:12:44
rsch:
where is the current code of https://beta.monerodevs.org?
20:13:03
elongated:matrix.org:
rsch: You can work on current beta, polish it
20:13:10
ofrnxmr:
github.com/redsh4de/monero-site
20:13:19
redsh4de:matrix.org:
^
20:14:23
rsch:
I would like to change the start page. it looks like the next boring coin. monero needs some extra. are you ok with that?
20:14:28
redsh4de:matrix.org:
if wow effect means non-essential animations that take away the users attention, i'd personally be against that. minimalism is good
20:15:32
rsch:
thats the problem with monero. its self centered. what you like is not what others like in mass. monero needs more attention. with a boring minimalistic approach you dont win anyone.
20:15:33
elongated:matrix.org:
rsch: It is a boring coin, it’s a currency; we don’t want animations for sure ; but current beta can be improved
20:15:34
basses:matrix.org:
looks vibecoded > <rsch> https://www.berlinersoftware.de/monero/
20:15:35
basses:matrix.org:
also google fonts etc
20:16:09
ofrnxmr:
@basses:matrix.org: Of course it is
20:16:12
basses:matrix.org:
monero design is simple, js-less and without trackers, you can take a look at how the current design compared to other shitcoins website
20:16:26
rsch:
what is wrong with AI?
20:16:30
redsh4de:matrix.org:
@basses:matrix.org: it does use typical v0.dev design patterns. overuse of gradients and glow effects
20:16:36
basses:matrix.org:
@basses:matrix.org: website design*
20:17:17
basses:matrix.org:
rsch: that we could have done it ourself (literally anyone)
20:17:33
basses:matrix.org:
why do you think we are doing it the way we are doing it rn?
20:17:51
rsch:
no idea. lack of understanding, busy with other topics?
20:18:47
rsch:
if you remember TJ? one of the biggest contributors in the npm world. look to his repo. no commits anymore. why? sometimes people stop caring.
20:19:01
basses:matrix.org:
current website doesnt look good but it served its time very well back then, hence the design we are currently working on > <rsch> thats the problem with monero. its self centered. what you like is not what others like in mass. monero needs more attention. with a boring minimalistic approach you dont win anyone.
20:19:16
basses:matrix.org:
rsch: lol wtf??
20:19:17
redsh4de:matrix.org:
feel free to fork the repo above, and do a PR for the src/pages/index.astro file > <rsch> I would like to change the start page. it looks like the next boring coin. monero needs some extra. are you ok with that?
20:19:17
redsh4de:matrix.org:
you should familiarize yourself with the codebase first, it uses the Astro javascript framework and has a localization framework, so should work within the already set up framework
20:19:54
ofrnxmr:
plowsof, are PR deployments setup?
20:21:08
rsch:
I mean I dont want to waste my time contributing something if its rejected beause its not liked or its too animated. thats why I wanted to get feedback first
20:22:00
ofrnxmr:
well, this is a community project and website
20:22:08
redsh4de:matrix.org:
rsch: that's part of contributing, rarely will people like something you propose at the first time
20:22:13
ofrnxmr:
Nothing is accepted "just because you do it"
20:22:31
redsh4de:matrix.org:
thats why you should take in feedback, and iterate upon things until people do like it
20:22:46
ofrnxmr:
Just choosing the design beteeen 3 choices took months
20:22:51
rsch:
ofrnxmr: are you sure? I had that strong feeling about
20:22:56
plowsof:
ofrnxmr checkbox is ticked for preview deployments but not confirmed
20:23:00
ofrnxmr:
We chose the one that redsh4de is working on like 6 months ago
20:23:56
plowsof:
redshade has their own previews set up though , can be seen at https://github.com/redsh4de/monero-site/pull/102
20:24:20
rsch:
I would like to make the start page more as a sales page to get a better conversion rate to get more acceptance.
20:24:48
redsh4de:matrix.org:
plowsof: yea, im not sure if these will work for non-owner PRs as it's under the Vercel Hobby plan
20:24:49
redsh4de:matrix.org:
i'll check
20:25:16
plowsof:
rsch you said "present it as a PR or as an external upload" -> do you have experience with git?
20:25:38
redsh4de:matrix.org:
@redsh4de:matrix.org: yeah it will work i just have to authorize the preview deployment manually
20:25:54
rsch:
plowsof yes why
20:26:34
plowsof:
you know the answer then, open an issue and/or PR
20:27:31
rsch:
plowsof where? there are two sources here. monero repo and the moenrodev repo
20:27:58
redsh4de:matrix.org:
rsch: https://github.com/redsh4de/monero-site
20:30:59
redsh4de:matrix.org:
Ctrl+U shows inlined SVG as well... 😬 > <@redsh4de:matrix.org> it does use typical v0.dev design patterns. overuse of gradients and glow effects
20:30:59
redsh4de:matrix.org:
The webpage must ship with no SVG content. Icons must use .avif files through the MaskIcon component for monochrome icons, and ColorIcon for colored ones
20:32:02
rsch:
yea I thought its the best to have them inline
20:32:44
rsch:
and with overuse I dont agree. it looks more fancy exactly what you need in my opinion.
20:33:08
plowsof:
bloom/glow plugin for quake 1 to make graphics better maybe but im getting a headache trying to read things
20:33:33
rsch:
I am not here to argue but in my opinion monero needs a more salsy approach. it has something to offer. its not just falsy sales
20:35:07
rsch:
the problem is why should I contribute anything if my approach is not welcomed? thats why I wanted to come here and ask first. my point is to make the new monero design more entertaining. the question is if the value is seen and appriciated or you just want to stick with the minimal boring approach? so can you give me some contructive feedback to my current design: https://www.berlinersoftware.de/monero/
20:36:39
rsch:
what I can plan to do is to make a PR to redesign the start page. its better than the current one but still can improved. ofc it will have more glow and animation. if that is not welcomed in the first place I can leave it how it is
20:36:58
rsch:
in the end its a community project but currently 5 contributors desice what is merged and what not
20:37:20
rsch:
and I dont think "community" will change that
20:38:29
redsh4de:matrix.org:
rsch: if you have a idea for the index page, definitely do a PR to it so we can see how it would look
20:39:49
rsch:
https://www.berlinersoftware.de/monero/ this is my idea
20:40:40
rsch:
do you think it goes in the right direction or not?
20:41:09
plowsof:
its everything i dont like about sites such as https://retoswap.com/ amplified about 3x
20:41:11
ofrnxmr:
ofrnxmr says: No
20:42:22
rsch:
I can agree that a blog page should be simpler because you read text. the focus is more on content and less on animations and distraction. but the first visit needs to have a wow. do you agree with it?
20:42:27
plowsof:
bloom/glare, rain flowing upwards, text fading in _whilst_ moving upwards
20:42:58
ofrnxmr:
rsch: i don't agree
20:43:10
ofrnxmr:
Maybe wownero.org
20:43:54
rsch:
ofrnxmr: you dont think that a high converting sales page is better for moneros popularity? something that makes visitors converting into users using monero?
20:44:15
ofrnxmr:
I think your design isnt as good as wownero.org's
20:44:45
rsch:
ok interesting to know
20:45:09
rsch:
then I dont know how to help you
20:45:42
rsch:
just moving content from one cornor to another is not something that will help a lot
20:46:52
rsch:
how does it work here? if you have different views on a topic. do you vote or do you follow what the core says?
20:48:06
rsch:
@plowsof: but it looks impressive is not?
20:48:49
plowsof:
i mean for a quake1 graphics upgrade mod with bloom and glare :D
20:49:02
rsch:
what do you mean?
20:49:39
ofrnxmr:
rsch: We vote
20:49:42
plowsof:
too extreme for me
20:50:20
ofrnxmr:
so far, including your vote, its: 1 ack, 2 nack
20:52:00
syntheticbird:
> first visit needs to have a wow. do you agree with it? > <rsch> I can agree that a blog page should be simpler because you read text. the focus is more on content and less on animations and distraction. but the first visit needs to have a wow. do you agree with it?
20:52:13
syntheticbird:
I agree with it
20:52:18
ofrnxmr:
A wownero? I agree
20:52:27
rsch:
no not a shit coin
20:52:39
syntheticbird:
yeah no sorry oh my god > <rsch> https://www.berlinersoftware.de/monero/ this is my idea
20:52:41
syntheticbird:
I don't like it
20:52:51
ofrnxmr:
1 ack, 3 nack
20:53:04
rsch:
syntheticbird what do you not like exactly?
20:53:53
rsch:
too big letters?
20:53:55
syntheticbird:
respectfully for your effort, rsch, it sure looks like detailed and complete but I don't like the blooming color. Every elements also seems way too present/big. it gives me gambling site vibes, even tho i'm sure this wasn't your intention
20:55:20
rsch:
i dont agree with gambling. gambling is very mixed color. that page is very straight. clear color plate. do you have an example that you like to get a better impression or which direction you guys prefere
21:03:27
ofrnxmr:
Beta.monerodevs.org < example
21:03:28
syntheticbird:
I mean, it's my impression, there is no agreement to be made.
21:03:49
syntheticbird:
tho I hear your argument
21:08:12
redsh4de:matrix.org:
Some things i personally don't like:
21:08:12
redsh4de:matrix.org:
1. Should use the official Monero logo, the off-color one is a non-starter imo
21:08:12
redsh4de:matrix.org:
2. too much animations, translucency and CIA-tier glowing that distract the user. animations & effects should be used thoughtfully so the page does not look like a red light district. Or at least disable them with users that have prefers-reduced-motion: true enabled.
21:08:12
redsh4de:matrix.org:
2.1. Ends up looking fully AI generated due to the typical website AI design patterns above[... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/2brzmdsKY0d3aFdH ]
21:12:19
ofrnxmr:
Things i dont like:
21:12:19
ofrnxmr:
1. Youre 9 months late on design
21:12:19
ofrnxmr:
2. Youre 4 months late on implementation
21:12:19
ofrnxmr:
3. Its ugly imo, like a neon website from 2003 but with 2008 styling[... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/z8iCmtsKTDF1NWZS ]
21:13:47
redsh4de:matrix.org:
6. there is no reason why the subtitle and eyebrow should transition in after load on pages. that's just too much effects for the sake of it, another AI pattern
21:15:06
redsh4de:matrix.org:
7. things like these are redundant, i'd get rid of the top bubble
21:15:09
redsh4de:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/DBKPsjqpeFtJhWykkbIeXxpD.png (image.png)
21:19:38
redsh4de:matrix.org:
@ofrnxmr: not pertaining to design but a monolith of styles.css is also a non-starter, yeah: https://www.berlinersoftware.de/monero/css/style.css
21:19:38
redsh4de:matrix.org:
that's one thing we're moving away from in the new design. globals.css only defines colors and variables, components and pages have their own scoped CSS for maintainability
21:20:08
syntheticbird:
LONG LIVE ASTRO
21:20:17
redsh4de:matrix.org:
LONG LIVE ASTRO
21:20:38
redsh4de:matrix.org:
ALL HAIL FRED SCHOTT
21:20:43
syntheticbird:
ALL HAIL FRED SCHOTT
21:20:45
plowsof:
never forget custom.css
21:20:47
ofrnxmr:
LONG LIVE JEKYLL
21:20:58
syntheticbird:
@ofrnxmr: # NNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
21:21:03
ofrnxmr:
@ofrnxmr: wrong room?
21:21:26
syntheticbird:
correct room but 10 years late
21:43:19
random123.:matrix.org:
> https://beta.monerodevs.org/
21:43:20
random123.:matrix.org:
monerochan been the mascot of monero for as long as the community can remember:
21:43:20
random123.:matrix.org:
who's idea was it to have "isabella" in there? this bish ugly af ngl
21:43:20
random123.:matrix.org:
https://monerochan.art/[... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/2uzzmtsKUkx5T29t ]
21:43:34
random123.:matrix.org:
also, why no dark mode in 2026? this shi blasted my eyes
21:43:52
redsh4de:matrix.org:
@random123.:matrix.org: there is dark mode if your browser is set to dark mode
21:43:58
redsh4de:matrix.org:
it adapts to your system/browser theme
21:44:09
random123.:matrix.org:
no toggle button top right tho
21:44:17
random123.:matrix.org:
xmrchat has the toggle thing
21:44:29
random123.:matrix.org:
invidious has the toggle thing
21:44:34
redsh4de:matrix.org:
not possible without JavaScript or generating completely seperate pages for dark/light, and JavaScript is a non starter
21:44:50
random123.:matrix.org:
oh, got it, noJS, aight no worries there
21:45:02
random123.:matrix.org:
isabella a dumb choice tho
21:45:31
syntheticbird:
@random123.:matrix.org: it's been discussed extensively
21:45:44
syntheticbird:
don't worry, it was controversial
21:45:57
syntheticbird:
so it's not dumb
21:45:58
redsh4de:matrix.org:
that has been a controversial choice yeah, but so far the only option that has been proposed/shipped by anyone
21:46:56
redsh4de:matrix.org:
@redsh4de:matrix.org: but yeah i guess if you are on Tor Browser this wont work, as i dont think it passes prefers-color-theme CSS
21:47:10
redsh4de:matrix.org:
everywhere else though light/dark will be based on if your system theme is light or dark
21:47:14
random123.:matrix.org:
i read through it, was pretty much just rehrar being a dumbass techbro silicon valley wanna be "inclusive" this bish not inclusive to no one, she only inclusive to the techbros that wanna be like they inclusive LMAO
21:47:18
random123.:matrix.org:
monerochan ftw
21:48:14
syntheticbird:
alr now i'm convinced you're just a troller
21:48:19
syntheticbird:
go fuck yourself
21:48:37
random123.:matrix.org:
ok retarded bird that doxxed kewbit
21:55:25
nioc:
since cats rule the internet why not Cat as a mascot if we really need one
21:57:03
redsh4de:matrix.org:
could maybe host a mascot competition/vote, like libreoffice did a few years back
22:00:20
random123.:matrix.org:
or honestly even john mcafee that is ded would be better than isabella at this point tbh... just sayin...
22:01:03
random123.:matrix.org:
just look how handsome he is in there:
22:01:05
random123.:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/MAYCjsBGdzcBHDvTdLjTjwSU.png (image.png)
22:01:19
random123.:matrix.org:
very handsome
22:02:10
random123.:matrix.org:
but yea, why not a reddit vote, "monerochan, cats, isabella, mcafee [...]"
22:04:12
syntheticbird:
reddit vote are easily biased through bots, weeks of the day and generally weak sampling. I'm all for exploring other solutions, but that should be done in chat. cc @ofrnxmr:monero.social @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx
22:04:13
random123.:matrix.org:
anyways @redsh4de:matrix.org thx for taking on the website rework, i too broke to donate to your ccs but hope you can get it fully funded, which iirc bf did most of the donation on it, havent checked in awhile but it didnt move so... yea, hope you can get the funding on that, u been consistent working on it
22:05:29
random123.:matrix.org:
yea fair, voting are being gamed... but imo it should still be a community decision rather than a rehrar decision that was able to have the louder voice on isabella
22:06:17
syntheticbird:
@random123.:matrix.org: If you are convinced that others arguments weren't heard, this can be brought during a larger community meeting.
22:06:38
syntheticbird:
but this will quickly circle around what has already been said
22:06:44
syntheticbird:
oh he quit
22:07:10
syntheticbird:
let's go
22:07:15
syntheticbird:
plowsof's banhammer should be the mascot
22:07:55
321bob321:
Wes inclusive
22:13:35
redsh4de:matrix.org:
sounds like a announcing a meeting in the website workgroup at some future date could do the trick, and spreading it through the active social channels > <@syntheticbird> reddit vote are easily biased through bots, weeks of the day and generally weak sampling. I'm all for exploring other solutions, but that should be done in chat. cc @ofrnxmr:monero.social @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx
22:13:35
redsh4de:matrix.org:
people could join, propose their designs, mockups and stuff
22:14:32
redsh4de:matrix.org:
we do have talented artists in the community from what ive seen but i doubt many are even aware a new website is underway
22:16:54
redsh4de:matrix.org:
but that's if people really really don't like having isabella as a mascot
22:18:16
random1234.:matrix.org:
> this can be brought during a larger community meeting
22:18:16
random1234.:matrix.org:
if you refering to #monero-community then this is not monero community
22:18:16
random1234.:matrix.org:
it's just a very few people echochamber
22:18:16
random1234.:matrix.org:
anyways, said my piece, u can thor hammer this one too @plowsof:matrix.org
22:18:56
plowsof:
thanks for ping will do
22:20:03
321bob321:
Sad
22:22:10
nioc:
I still have no idea why we need a mascot
22:23:55
plowsof:matrix.org:
if i was president there would be no mascot or anything on the site cus it only gives people a chance to complain bout something
22:25:00
redsh4de:matrix.org:
since the website is kind of designed to be more user friendly and welcoming, having a consistent character/mascot to complement guiding texts (like in accept-monero, index page's get started, knowledge base) does a lot for that aspect
22:25:48
redsh4de:matrix.org:
can also just go with some soulless blob characters but thats corporate tier and soulless imo
22:27:06
ofrnxmr:
@plowsof:matrix.org: Plowsof is just mad because they didnt choose my duck
22:27:27
hbs:matrix.org:
isn't Monerochan the über Monero mascot already?
22:27:38
ofrnxmr:
It's ok. We'll get 'em next time
22:27:50
ofrnxmr:
@hbs:matrix.org: Monerochan is sexist and haram
22:28:16
syntheticbird:
@ofrnxmr: this
22:28:17
syntheticbird:
so much true
22:28:29
syntheticbird:
(i wanted monero chan)
22:29:18
nioc:
ofrn onlyducks https://ducksonly.com/
22:29:21
lol_actually_same:matrix.org:
> I still have no idea why we need a mascot
22:29:21
lol_actually_same:matrix.org:
lol actually same, monero has a logo, it dont even need a mascot on the website
22:29:30
lol_actually_same:matrix.org:
> since the website is kind of designed to be more user friendly and welcoming
22:29:30
lol_actually_same:matrix.org:
so is retoswap, and yet, no mascot there, dont need it, which funny cause rsch proposed design looks very similar to retoswap's website too
22:29:54
redsh4de:matrix.org:
@hbs:matrix.org: Well, yes, its the most recognizable one and if everyone was based i'd be all for it
22:29:54
redsh4de:matrix.org:
Issue is not everyone is based or entrenched in the monero community as we are, the site is public facing and mainly newcomers and people with no context would benefit from it
22:29:54
redsh4de:matrix.org:
monerochan is both a mascot and a sex symbol in the monero community so that alone imo disqualifies it for a globally facing page (same as john mcaffee etc)
22:30:01
321bob321:
Mascot makes it look childish
22:30:52
ofrnxmr:
As far as xxxmrchan being a sex symbol/, thats only with some of theore weird ppl
22:30:56
redsh4de:matrix.org:
i think its a fine line, if you do overuse it then it does make the site feel like its for kids
22:30:57
ofrnxmr:
The more*
22:31:18
ofrnxmr:
Some of which also like child versions of monerochan, and furry versions
22:31:41
ofrnxmr:
Some people will sexualize anything
22:31:44
syntheticbird:
I mean at this point I might just give out the work of @vostoemisio:matrix.org I paid him for
22:31:54
syntheticbird:
there are some nice assets but I wanted to keep them for the CCS revamp
22:32:47
syntheticbird:
yeah ok nvm that is very different from what is currently shown in the website
22:33:12
syntheticbird:
@redsh4de:matrix.org: i'll dm you the picture just so you tell me if you think it is usable
22:33:19
redsh4de:matrix.org:
@redsh4de:matrix.org: nvm this makes it sound like john mcaffee is a sex symbol
22:33:19
redsh4de:matrix.org:
but you know what i mean
22:33:32
redsh4de:matrix.org:
@syntheticbird: sure thing, lets see
22:34:59
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/xmr.mx/bpOQyZsDHhxnhVJxaCpZqSwW.png (17680844884423685886923391174219.png)
22:35:00
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/xmr.mx/jHHKXEerrJnNuEnBmTAbzsGA.jpg (17680845641037500535653992049443.jpg)
22:35:05
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
SFW monerochans
22:37:20
syntheticbird:
monerochan is a sex symbol in the community is like saying the community is composed of sexually enraged individuals
22:37:28
syntheticbird:
funny yes
22:37:32
syntheticbird:
but false
22:39:19
redsh4de:matrix.org:
true lol, but even on pages like https://monerochan.art/ a big part of them are "risque" designs and usually what gets shared the most on social media which over time can give that association
22:39:19
redsh4de:matrix.org:
again this is just me making a case for why not
22:41:33
321bob321:
anime fetish site ?
22:44:08
ofrnxmr:
@redsh4de:matrix.org: Hey, people commission whatever they want. Some of those are crossovers with wownero (where wownerochan is obviously sexualized)
22:45:23
ofrnxmr:
The wallet-cli lockscreen for wownero is https://monerochan.art/commissions/wownero_leash.png
23:08:02
redsh4de:matrix.org:
lovely lmao
23:09:05
redsh4de:matrix.org:
but yeah, at the end of the day it can just be some neutral plain guy/girl thing for storytelling in guides as well (wouldnt be my first choice but still)
23:12:01
ofrnxmr:
@redsh4de:matrix.org: Ascii art :')
23:22:48
redsh4de:matrix.org:
@redsh4de:matrix.org: or if a clean sfw monerochan design can be made which still can be public facing with a modicum of mass appeal but still easily recognizable as monerochan i'd go for that mby
23:22:49
redsh4de:matrix.org:
thatd be my first choice as at the end of the day - it is the most recognizable character associated with monero
23:23:47
redsh4de:matrix.org:
but yeah, i still like this idea as perspectives are different and having many differing perspectives can help narrow down to one over time > <@redsh4de:matrix.org> sounds like a announcing a meeting in the website workgroup at some future date could do the trick, and spreading it through the active social channels
23:24:42
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
monerochan: brunette with orange layered hair
23:24:58
redsh4de:matrix.org:
i mean thats basically it right
23:27:24
redsh4de:matrix.org:
just have to NOT put her in a pole dancer outfit for the public facing page and we good imo
23:28:51
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
So you want her to be nude? Noted
23:28:59
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
(im joking)
23:29:05
redsh4de:matrix.org:
i mean...
23:29:15
redsh4de:matrix.org:
:^)
23:30:36
redsh4de:matrix.org:
but anyway like i said, if a globally-inclusive monerochan variant can be made for the page to complement guide texts that would be a winner imo
23:33:55
syntheticbird:
@redsh4de:matrix.org: fuck it
23:33:58
syntheticbird:
I'll say it
23:34:25
syntheticbird:
Make an astro component at the top with minimal javascript that only display itself if javascript is enabled. If it appear the toggle change the css color-scheme attribute
23:34:27
syntheticbird:
i want a toggle
23:34:29
syntheticbird:
I NEED A TOGGLE
23:34:53
syntheticbird:
I'll kill every single js haters
23:35:11
syntheticbird:
it's no malware, it will work perfectly without
23:36:47
redsh4de:matrix.org:
can def do that, just not sure how strict the "no JavaScript" requirement is
23:37:51
redsh4de:matrix.org:
i assumed max strictness so currently if there is a single script tag or inline js anywhere in the build output the entire build will be rejected and banished to the shadow realm
23:39:43
syntheticbird:
There are contributors that disable javascript entirely (Tor Browser in Safest mode). I'll The "no javascript" rule is there because if you rely on javascript this quickly spiral down into security implications, supply chain attack, injections, etc... But such widget is like 10 line of raw inlined js that would be reviewed. And the rest of the website will work perfectly without js.
23:40:02
redsh4de:matrix.org:
Yeah i def think its reasonable to add
23:40:21
redsh4de:matrix.org:
i can add a exception to that one file, so that there is kind of a JS whitelist
23:41:14
syntheticbird:
that would be awesome
23:41:59
syntheticbird:
Last time I asked about the js stance, there were basically absolute haters and absolute lovers
23:42:18
syntheticbird:
I ignored the latter, and disagree with the first
23:42:56
syntheticbird:
because I wanted to have JS for the CCS revamp and people were complaining that it should work without js, but they were already using Gitlab so...
23:43:25
redsh4de:matrix.org:
well yeah, since the page itself already relies on no JS
23:43:37
redsh4de:matrix.org:
having a optional widget only for people that have JS enabled makes sense
23:43:43
syntheticbird:
indeed. That's seen as a security downgrade for many
23:44:02
syntheticbird:
and I can understand it
23:44:43
syntheticbird:
as i understand it, the js strictness boils down to "we never used js before, monero is also for paranoid people, and paranoid people reject js like the pest, we shouldn't enforce it on them"
23:45:01
syntheticbird:
but since it's optional, i think we can break the law
23:45:24
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
I think the main thing is that the website must function filly w/o js
23:45:36
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Adding a js toggle is, imo, acceptable
23:45:41
redsh4de:matrix.org:
Yeah, it makes sense to have the website not be dependant on JS
23:45:41
redsh4de:matrix.org:
but if its something optional that sits on top of an already aggressively no-JS codebase - thats fine
23:46:07
syntheticbird:
@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: ngl i was afraid you would be against smh
23:46:07
redsh4de:matrix.org:
alright bet, will add a toggle with persistence then
23:47:19
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
docs website has a toggle, but the toggle disappears when nojs
23:48:02
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
The search also disappears when nojs
23:48:15
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
So its not unheard of
23:48:40
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Just dont want any js that someone would complain about
23:51:12
redsh4de:matrix.org:
guhh
23:51:27
redsh4de:matrix.org:
i'll have to change my prefers-color-scheme setup to something else to work with the toggle
23:51:33
redsh4de:matrix.org:
JS cannot override it
23:52:28
syntheticbird:
@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Right. I think the only sensible solution for no js is to patch the web browser into enforcing dark mode first on getmonero.org
23:53:07
redsh4de:matrix.org:
basically what im doing, but it looks like i'll have to duplicate the dark mode CSS variables twice
23:53:13
redsh4de:matrix.org:
which works but i hate duplication
23:53:37
redsh4de:matrix.org:
once for the no-js fallback (prefers-color-scheme), and one for JS-friendly (data-theme)
23:53:49
syntheticbird:
no no no
23:53:53
syntheticbird:
you don't need to
23:54:20
syntheticbird:
if you used light-dark css function all you need to do is to change the document css colorScheme to "light" or "dark" instead of the hardcoded "light dark"
23:55:23
redsh4de:matrix.org:
will look into that, ive been putting variables in prefers-color-scheme blocks
23:55:29
syntheticbird:
OOF
23:55:30
redsh4de:matrix.org:
light-dark's relatively new?
23:55:39
syntheticbird:
relatively new but supported everywhere
23:55:40
redsh4de:matrix.org:
havent heard of it before
23:55:46
redsh4de:matrix.org:
will check mdn
23:55:47
syntheticbird:
that's what I've been using for my CCS revamp
23:55:49
plowsof:
are we pretending like any js on getmonero no matter how small will be well received and putting deelopment hours into it? 😆
23:56:51
syntheticbird:
plowsof: The disinformation and propaganda department are paid for a reason
23:57:07
plowsof:
add js to the mascot so she winks, lets go all in
23:57:09
syntheticbird:
We will brainwash the community into liking these 10 lines of dangerous javascript
23:58:26
redsh4de:matrix.org:
@redsh4de:matrix.org: okay yeah this is epic
23:58:33
syntheticbird:
@redsh4de:matrix.org: i know right
23:58:36
syntheticbird:
hold on
23:58:49
redsh4de:matrix.org:
i can both reduce LOC in my global.css AND make it toggleable via JS
23:58:56
syntheticbird:
oh shit i transferred it
23:58:59
syntheticbird:
yeah exactly
23:59:19
syntheticbird:
I defined all my color theme into single css variables that change with light-dark
23:59:19
redsh4de:matrix.org:
kk gimme like 15-20