03:04:25
darkhappyman:
Do you use devdocs ?
12:31:37
neromonero1024:
https://youtu.be/_o14caQGCMA
16:15:32
writemarble:matrix.org:
https://x.com/marblecub1/status/2016544281381437928?s=20
16:18:02
DataHoarder:
not you again, go to #monero-markets :P
16:34:11
imprevisto:matrix.org:
manjaro is like arch with slower security updates and a shinier interface
16:34:32
imprevisto:matrix.org:
last I checked anyhow
16:52:22
BlueyHealer:
TBH I don't really understand what niche Manjaro is filling.
16:59:16
basses:matrix.org:
easier arch
16:59:23
basses:matrix.org:
but cachyos took that crown
17:02:52
jeffro256:
just installed cachyos yesterday, pretty nice so far except I can't figure out how to get audio to come out of my speakers
17:03:33
jeffro256:
headphones work tho
17:04:28
jeffro256:
It manages memory / scheduling while compiling Monero pretty well on this mid level laptop. Linux Mint used to freeze up entirely if I had too many compiling threads open, even if memory wasn't completely exhausted
17:05:46
DataHoarder:
jeffro256: https://irc.gammaspectra.live/5f1b6fb3311b0710/image.png also https://irc.gammaspectra.live/20e92b15b378dbec/image.png
17:05:56
DataHoarder:
when it works it works
17:06:28
DataHoarder:
but... yeah the rest is fun specially if you have an exotic setup (aka you have audio devices, not integrated)
17:08:29
ravfx:xmr.mx:
I used to just use alsa until they shove pipewire in my throat (I have a sound card for adult, with hardware mixer that can output 32 audio stream at the same time)
17:08:32
basses:matrix.org:
DataHoarder: LMAO
17:09:30
BlueyHealer:
basses, I assumed easier Arch is Endeavour
17:09:46
BlueyHealer:
Haven't seen much on Cachy but that niche indeed makes sense
17:10:58
BlueyHealer:
BTW unrelated but found out Pipewire has an app for visualization of all the audio sources/outputs, and I love this because I can now play music in my game's voice chat easily)
17:11:23
basses:matrix.org:
BlueyHealer: also that, but cachy has an "optimized" kernel, I dont remember if someoen benchmarked it tho
17:11:41
ravfx:xmr.mx:
I used to use Artix (another arch fork).
17:11:41
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Last time I retryed that distrib it needed 30 min of internet searching and messing for it to just update.
17:11:46
basses:matrix.org:
also if provided any value
17:12:48
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Gentoo just work :)
17:12:48
gan:skhron.org:
Works on my machine
17:14:09
gan:skhron.org:
I use Artix on the same device for maybe 10 years at this point
17:14:56
ravfx:xmr.mx:
@gan:skhron.org: When there is no QA, work on my machine does not mean work on all machine. That been said, the install image I used to use was the community plasma openrc one. And the gpg stuff was missing or outdated hence the fail to update/cant install anything issue I got. Was like two years ago
17:15:56
BlueyHealer:
I was considering a non-systemd distro but I need it to just work and to have documentation.
17:17:04
basses:matrix.org:
systemd just works
17:17:15
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Openrc just work
17:17:26
basses:matrix.org:
you are probably lookinf for Void if you dont want systemd for some reason
17:18:07
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Alpine, artix, gentoo
17:18:16
BlueyHealer:
Devuan?
17:18:33
BlueyHealer:
Gentoo is complicated, lol no
17:18:37
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Was about to say it. Yeah, that one too
17:19:07
BlueyHealer:
Might try something like this but wouldn't commit on a daily machine, at least for now.
17:19:57
basses:matrix.org:
@ravfx:xmr.mx: people run alpine as daily driver?
17:20:22
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Void deleted the Monero even if it was well maintained
17:21:16
ravfx:xmr.mx:
@basses:matrix.org: On server. Just careful for there synapse package. Maintainer dont test it before pushing
17:21:43
basses:matrix.org:
https://www.phoronix.com/news/CachyOS-Server-Edition-Coming btw
17:21:56
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Lol.... NO
17:22:12
basses:matrix.org:
will be interesting how a rolling release be used for servers
17:22:23
basses:matrix.org:
mental outlaw made a whole video about this news
17:22:31
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Dont you want reliable servers?
17:22:31
basses:matrix.org:
how terrible/weird this idea is
17:23:03
basses:matrix.org:
define reliable
17:23:12
basses:matrix.org:
AWS, Azure, cloudflare
17:23:32
ravfx:xmr.mx:
The less amount of... surprise!!! When you update
17:24:17
basses:matrix.org:
first server to be affected by backdoors like xz
17:24:24
basses:matrix.org:
too
17:26:45
BlueyHealer:
I wouldn't even want bleeding edge on my normal computer)
17:27:19
BlueyHealer:
Even Unstable is probably more stable than that!
18:02:58
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Even the distribution considered the most stable can do "surprise!!!" when you upgrade, but I just have higher expectation for theses (like Debian).
18:03:33
imprevisto:matrix.org:
easier arch is also endeavor
18:03:55
imprevisto:matrix.org:
I used both, but more endeavor, but that was a while ago
18:04:14
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Upgrade to Trixie rename /etc/sysctl.conf to /etc/sysctl.conf.bak
18:04:14
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Instead of renaming it to something like /etc/sysctl.d/50-migration.conf
18:04:14
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Do people want the default back for system, or they want to keep there setting that work for them hmmmm
18:04:19
imprevisto:matrix.org:
I like trying a lot
18:04:45
ravfx:xmr.mx:
considering the file format is the same exact one
18:04:49
imprevisto:matrix.org:
debian is a standard but it's hardly rock solid
18:05:23
BlueyHealer:
the biggest surprise for me was moving drives from /media to /run/media.
18:05:35
BlueyHealer:
Not even on Trixie, just on a "point" upgrade.
18:06:42
imprevisto:matrix.org:
and I say that but it's a lot about just needing to change constantly
18:07:01
imprevisto:matrix.org:
I have gotten into weird backport hells on debian
18:07:23
ravfx:xmr.mx:
BlueyHealer: The auto mounting stuff right?
18:07:23
ravfx:xmr.mx:
I never used Debian on desktop actually. But I have lot of server that have it (that and Alpine, but i'm considering returning to Debian actually considering the amount of unexpected surprise I got with alpine updates, with is sad because I do like that distribution)
18:07:50
ravfx:xmr.mx:
On server all the stuff go in fstab and just work (assuming you use uuid so you can move the drivers around without it failing at next boot)
18:07:59
BlueyHealer:
ravfx, no, it mounts like it used to - on a click.
18:08:09
BlueyHealer:
What do you use on desktop?
18:08:26
ravfx:xmr.mx:
BlueyHealer: Gentoo
18:08:37
BlueyHealer:
I've never had to move drivers around:/ The disks are media and VMs.
18:08:52
ravfx:xmr.mx:
It's seam top be the most reliable option when you need to use thousands of packages because ... Desktop... tons of dependencies
18:09:01
BlueyHealer:
Is Gentoo complicated to use for someone who is not a techie, like for me?
18:09:33
ravfx:xmr.mx:
BlueyHealer: oh ok, I never mounted drive to media and run.
18:09:33
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Except for like USB drives and thing like that, when they automount to mount somewhere in /run
18:10:27
BlueyHealer:
media abnd run/media are where it just mounts bu default though, at least in my case.
18:10:44
ravfx:xmr.mx:
BlueyHealer: Well, you have to "install it"
18:10:44
ravfx:xmr.mx:
But once it's done it's no harder to use than an arch.
18:10:55
BlueyHealer:
Yeah, I meant exclusively USB drives. I have never installed a second internal SSD)
18:11:13
BlueyHealer:
Eh, even Arch install is too complicated.
18:11:18
ravfx:xmr.mx:
BlueyHealer: Yeah, automount.
18:11:58
BlueyHealer:
Like, in the Archinstall script, but got stuck on the very first step. Just didn't bother because it's not like I wanted it that much.
18:12:30
BlueyHealer:
Like, I do like figuring things out, but not on my daily machine. Daily machine needs to just work.
18:13:09
BlueyHealer:
So do you have multiple internal drives?
18:13:33
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Yeah, me too, My main machine I want to waste the less time as possible for "fixing the OS"
18:13:49
imprevisto:matrix.org:
gentoo, dam
18:14:15
imprevisto:matrix.org:
gento = waste the less time as possible !!?
18:15:28
ravfx:xmr.mx:
BlueyHealer: yes, depending of the machine / server
18:15:28
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Normally the drive(s) you want to be mount at boot time you put them in fstab.
18:15:28
ravfx:xmr.mx:
And the reason one use UUID like I mentionned is that you can say, move the drive to another sata port or nvme slot (if you need some organization and add new drives) and the system will still mount them where they should be mounted.
18:15:51
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Of course for VM I use LVM and that one don't really care about that and just autodetect at boot and activate the VG/LVs
18:15:51
imprevisto:matrix.org:
archinstall makes it so easy these days
18:16:07
imprevisto:matrix.org:
new people don't know
18:16:22
BlueyHealer:
It's still more difficult and needs more understanding than Debian's CLI installer.
18:16:27
BlueyHealer:
What do new people not know?
18:16:39
imprevisto:matrix.org:
how easy arch is now
18:16:45
BlueyHealer:
Also, someone still installs Arch fully manually?
18:17:27
imprevisto:matrix.org:
arch is so easy to install now, the use of endeavor or manjaro is like 50% of what it was
18:17:41
BlueyHealer:
imprevisto, iirc it started with something network-related and I didn't know how to skip past that :/
18:18:25
imprevisto:matrix.org:
I still wouldn't give arch to rav's mom
18:18:30
BlueyHealer:
I remembered that some parts of Archinstall are still more manual and require understanding though. Or I am misremembering? Or it changed?
18:18:49
BlueyHealer:
Like partitioning
18:19:16
imprevisto:matrix.org:
bluey, there's a pretty good arch matrix community
18:19:49
imprevisto:matrix.org:
I am not there all the time but they are pretty good
18:20:32
BlueyHealer:
Yeah, I understand. I am not planning to install it so didn't join. I guess guides would be where I'd look before.
18:20:32
imprevisto:matrix.org:
bluey, I'm not sure the exact state of archinstall
18:20:49
imprevisto:matrix.org:
yeah the wiki is what showed me the TRUTH
18:20:51
BlueyHealer:
You are saying it's easy though
18:20:55
imprevisto:matrix.org:
ha ha ha ha
18:21:02
BlueyHealer:
?
18:21:34
imprevisto:matrix.org:
I'm working on something right now that seems easy to some people but I am stuck for a week I think it's very relative and of course just what you have experience with
18:22:22
imprevisto:matrix.org:
I played with linux more than most probably. I think arch with archinstall is only medium. easier by like 10x than it used to be to install arch, yes
18:22:52
imprevisto:matrix.org:
but if you don't have experience it doesn't mean you are dumb or something, it takes time
18:23:57
imprevisto:matrix.org:
you can ask me a question if you like but you might do better over on the arch channel
18:24:07
imprevisto:matrix.org:
getting online is a step
18:24:34
BlueyHealer:
I was mostly confused when you were saying Arch is "easy" now while it seems to not be entirely the case.
18:24:39
imprevisto:matrix.org:
one of the major steps
18:24:56
imprevisto:matrix.org:
I'm saying archinstall makes arch easier
18:25:32
imprevisto:matrix.org:
anything else I said is me talking shit
18:26:01
imprevisto:matrix.org:
gentoo is crazy tho
18:28:14
BlueyHealer:
Ok, misunderstood then
18:29:39
BlueyHealer:
ravfx, btw do you use a GUI file manager? I just think I remember a similar talk with someone who doesn't.
18:30:56
ravfx:xmr.mx:
BlueyHealerhttps://znc.in)
18:30:56
ravfx:xmr.mx:
I use the one that come with Plasma, Dolphin
18:32:58
imprevisto:matrix.org:
I do think installing or using arch "requires understanding" lol
18:34:13
imprevisto:matrix.org:
if you just want to pop open a distro and use your mouse to get online, and you want arch repos, endeavor or manjaro (or cachyos i guess? idk that one)
18:34:51
imprevisto:matrix.org:
those are good gateway drugs
18:35:31
imprevisto:matrix.org:
but then again those kind of add misdirection
18:35:40
imprevisto:matrix.org:
okay im dunnnn
18:35:51
BlueyHealer:
ravfx, I use the one that comes with my distro, but use Dolphin as well because it allows filesystem browsing on KDEConnect. It's so convenient that I never have toplug my phone in anymore!
18:36:16
BlueyHealer:
Does Cachy work with the same Arch distros?
18:55:51
basses:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/RrbLzHXRasCYcXHJyjmGhHai.png (clipboard.png)
18:56:23
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Microsoft, what is that?
18:56:23
ravfx:xmr.mx:
I only know Microslop Corporation
19:30:58
johnjenkinss:unredacted.org:
BlueyHealer: Yeah you can, most of cachyOS is kernel stuff and some programs here and there maybe, but you can still install stuff from Arch repos and AUR like if you were on vanilla arch
19:32:29
johnjenkinss:unredacted.org:
you can also always switch out the repos and re-install the kernel to get rid of cachyOS optimizations if you end up not liking their optimizations
21:13:01
everchange000:matrix.org:
@ravfx:xmr.mx: Every time this company is mentioned, my PP turns soft and micro.
21:13:18
321bob321:
Drinking game