08:33:44
plowsof:
another PR from the ai slopper closed @ https://github.com/MrCyjaneK/monero_c/pull/171#issuecomment-3709200783 cc Cindy
08:49:45
BlueyHealer:
lol reminds me of how pissed Curl eventually got and would now ban whoever is suspected of AI))
09:01:17
everchange000:matrix.org:
Ok, so I've tried buying two Euro worth of monero from cake wallet via dfx.swiss. It was supposed to be low to no KYC.
09:01:17
everchange000:matrix.org:
So I've tested to buy monero for 2Euro on the first of january.
09:01:17
everchange000:matrix.org:
Today I got the notice that level 20 KYC is not enough, they need full gang rape level of KYC.
09:01:17
everchange000:matrix.org:
So, anyway. Fuck dfx.swiss and their fascist behaviour.
09:01:17
everchange000:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/zbBwErSeYwUWFXrXUnbVAanH.png (2Euro_dfx_swiss.png)
09:01:52
everchange000:matrix.org:
Guess I'll try Bisq. :/
10:34:44
321bob321:
https://www.reddit.com/r/homelab/comments/1q3m8of/the_most_expensive_little_project/
10:34:45
321bob321:
Lol @ first comment
10:40:18
basses:matrix.org:
I think GOS new OEM is Motorola their new phone Motorola Signature, has Snapdragon 8 Gen 5 but not Elite which the latter has MTE and GOS sets it as a requirement for its OS. So it will be 2027 flagship phone from Motorola that will have the elite chip and GOS support
10:40:18
basses:matrix.org:
https://xcancel.com/GrapheneOS/status/2007412904598151669#m
10:40:18
basses:matrix.org:
> They were unable to meet all of the hardware requirements for their initial 2026 devices so it's going to launch in 2027 rather than 2026.
10:55:57
basses:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/tfAKnDTARJqMLRzzyHnLdYUF.png (clipboard.png)
10:56:00
basses:matrix.org:
this were their intents from the start before finding an OEM to work with
11:05:39
Cindy:
everchange000: you shoul have asked before
11:05:51
Cindy:
DFX is known for extreme KYC
11:06:19
Cindy:
plowsof: holy shit lemme see
11:07:26
Cindy:
LOOOOL i wonder what the bear guy will post on his twitter about this
11:07:40
321bob321:
Will the phone have a ringtone “hello GOS”
11:09:30
Cindy:
and also i like how the dev added the [SLOP] prefix to the title
11:11:26
Cindy:
plowsof: he's currently trying to make slop PRs at haveno now https://github.com/haveno-dex/haveno/pull/2102 https://github.com/haveno-dex/haveno/pull/2105
11:14:59
basses:matrix.org:
@321bob321: warns if glowies are near you
11:15:25
Cindy:
the Java code is garbage
11:15:38
Cindy:
it made a function called isProxyApplied.. which i shit you not
11:15:52
Cindy:
calls "return isProxyApplied(getConnecton());"
11:16:02
BlueyHealer:
Unrelated but the wording reminded me of the ICE spotting apps that were basically not supposed to be used privately
11:16:55
BlueyHealer:
Liek, not only being exclusively accessible to the richer population on Apple (even though poorer people would be more at risk it seems), but requiring basically KYC to download. Interesting list they left Apple to enjoy...
11:17:54
Cindy:
oh wait sorry, i think that was apart of the original code lol
11:22:37
Cindy:
BlueyHealer: "lol reminds me of how pissed Curl eventually got" both projects have the same incentives
11:23:08
Cindy:
curl has security bounties, this bear guy is making PRs because the associated issues literally have bounties attached to them
11:23:55
basses:matrix.org:
Motorola signature is too good to be true other than chip not being Elite
11:24:07
basses:matrix.org:
they even provide 90W charger in box
11:25:18
basses:matrix.org:
which seems weird as company is moving away from that, and all companies too
11:25:35
Cindy:
isn't motorola known for expensive phones?
11:26:47
basses:matrix.org:
I thought the opposite
11:26:54
basses:matrix.org:
inexpensive
11:28:07
basses:matrix.org:
they are similar to Nothing, selling affordable phones
11:28:15
321bob321:
Gos on Sony phones would be good
11:28:38
321bob321:
At least the camera would be good
11:28:43
Cindy:
if it has a secure CPU :P
11:28:50
Cindy:
secure SoC*
11:29:13
BlueyHealer:
also Nothingis apparently easy to unlock the bootloader on)
11:29:29
Cindy:
BlueyHealer: yeah but.. can you relock with custom keys?
11:29:39
basses:matrix.org:
Elite has MTE, but according to leak ti will be snap 8 gen5 only
11:29:40
basses:matrix.org:
no elite
11:29:54
BlueyHealer:
Although last I saw, Nothing 3 wasn't supported by the custom OSes yet. But probably will be there soon enough.
11:30:11
BlueyHealer:
Cindy, I don't think so, which indeed I wish so badly was more common
11:30:21
BlueyHealer:
Although I'll check when I get home
11:30:41
basses:matrix.org:
https://github.com/zenfyrdev/bootloader-unlock-wall-of-shame/blob/main/brands/motorola/README.md
11:31:04
basses:matrix.org:
they will probably have to figure out an easier way to unlock bootloader so GOS runs on it
11:31:31
Cindy:
not just unlock but relock
11:32:22
basses:matrix.org:
yeah
11:32:53
Cindy:
lol i like the agreement part
11:32:58
Cindy:
"AND/OR BODILY INJURY, INCLUDING DEATH."
11:33:05
Cindy:
you could DIE from unlocking your bootloader
11:33:14
basses:matrix.org:
also if we took a look at current bootloader unlocking status for companies oneplus is okay and considered major OEM and GOS call them
11:33:50
basses:matrix.org:
Cindy: you need to defuse bootloader
11:33:58
321bob321:
Tbh they need to fix the usability of gos
11:34:07
basses:matrix.org:
like?
11:34:13
321bob321:
The camera app is carp
11:34:28
321bob321:
Like on zoom its delayed
11:34:44
basses:matrix.org:
Daniel will get mad when he hears that, also you can just use google camera with permissions revoked
11:35:06
321bob321:
See I have to sacrifice
11:35:14
321bob321:
Daniel banned me anyway
11:35:35
321bob321:
For calling him out switching to discord
11:35:44
BlueyHealer:
321bob321, idk, for my normie use it's okay. Tried Pixel Camera without network permissions, was an improvement, but didn't think enough of.
11:36:34
321bob321:
You moved the phone while recording and its like a massive delay or it jumps
11:36:48
321bob321:
Move*
11:37:08
BlueyHealer:
idk, I record a lot of exercise video and haven't noticed dealbreakers. But yeah, to each their own.
11:37:11
321bob321:
I used 7a and 8 same issue
11:38:19
321bob321:
Is that gcam on aruora ?
11:41:24
BlueyHealer:
Pixel Camera
11:42:00
BlueyHealer:
Also apparently, recently it had an update that requires Google Services- idk if this can be bypassed. This summer, used it just fine.
11:42:30
321bob321:
I have sandbox play services
11:44:22
321bob321:
Only so yubikey works
11:46:01
BlueyHealer:
Does it have network permission denied?
11:52:13
BlueyHealer:
Heard it does work like this but not sure
12:10:51
basses:matrix.org:
https://torrentfreak.com/annas-archive-loses-org-domain-after-surprise-suspension/
12:11:28
BlueyHealer:
>:(
12:13:37
basses:matrix.org:
they have many mirrors, even listed on their wikipedia page
12:13:43
BlueyHealer:
"The site also actively provides assistance to AI researchers who want to use its library for model training" - that's sad though
12:14:14
basses:matrix.org:
well, it is free
12:14:17
BlueyHealer:
Yeah, I think I was using a mirror in daily life even. But still, that one was pretty
12:22:30
Cindy:
the question is why are AI companies using copyrighted material to train their AI in the first place
12:25:48
basses:matrix.org:
you think AI comapnies also didnt train on gpl code
12:26:25
orly_owl:
they most likely scraped github, regardless of license
12:26:32
Cindy:
lol
12:26:38
Cindy:
microsoft LOVES AI
12:26:43
Cindy:
they don't need to scrape github
12:26:57
orly_owl:
https://www.reuters.com/technology/artificial-intelligence/meta-knew-it-used-pirated-books-train-ai-authors-say-2025-01-09/
12:27:06
Cindy:
yes that's meta and books
12:27:16
orly_owl:
they didnt need to buy github either, but they did
12:27:31
Cindy:
yes, so they don't need to scrape github :P
12:27:54
orly_owl:
its just easier to scrape something you own
12:28:06
Cindy:
that's not scraping
12:28:33
Cindy:
scraping would be going through the effort of parsing HTML files and shit to extract info
12:28:42
Cindy:
if you own something, you can just get a database dump in a second
12:28:43
orly_owl:
i own many leather bound books which i have not read
12:33:18
basses:matrix.org:
gemini literally trained on all Youtube videos
12:33:47
basses:matrix.org:
I wonder what Google thing gemini also trained on? Gmail
12:33:52
BlueyHealer:
AND MAKE SURE NOT TO SEED! *twirls moustache*
12:34:07
orly_owl:
we are providing material for ai to train on in this chat
12:35:06
BlueyHealer:
quick high meetings horse arrangement place skip
15:03:02
spideykitty:matrix.org:
aight no trolling in here i guess, booooring, back to nappies
15:11:38
nioc:
Yes meta was taken to court for using copyrighted books without permission
15:11:49
nioc:
Meta won the case
15:11:55
nioc:
Weeeeeeeee
15:12:15
nioc:
If a person did that they would lose
15:12:24
Cindy:
there are cases where the same thing happened, but the AI company lost i think
15:51:02
hopeful26:unredacted.org:
why people still using irc?
15:51:13
hopeful26:unredacted.org:
matrix is not a substitute?
15:51:35
BlueyHealer:
Because it's way more minimal. Also, doesn't bloat your homeserver's storage.
15:54:30
hopeful26:unredacted.org:
BlueyHealer: why minimal is a good thing?
15:54:56
DataHoarder:
people are still using email, too
15:55:08
DataHoarder:
it just keeps working instead of whatever the Matrix protocol is
15:55:36
DataHoarder:
(which btw fully funded by Private Equity so all the stuff that matters is gone soon after)
15:55:44
hopeful26:unredacted.org:
DataHoarder: literally cant send images
15:55:51
hopeful26:unredacted.org:
files
15:56:05
Cindy:
ok so
15:56:06
DataHoarder:
works same as matrix. your server/bouncer does it for you
15:56:08
DataHoarder:
lol
15:56:11
BlueyHealer:
I do use Matrix, I just prefer IRC for groups.
15:56:15
DataHoarder:
matrix server needs to do it for you
15:56:29
BlueyHealer:
You can send images as links, so that the chat window is cleaner.
15:56:48
gan:skhron.org:
IRC is good when people know what it is, personally I'd prefer to encourage E2EE-capable software > <@hopeful26:unredacted.org> why people still using irc?
15:57:35
DataHoarder:
https://irc.gammaspectra.live/78739627d96ce588/image.png
15:57:39
DataHoarder:
guess how matrix sends files: as URLs lol
15:57:40
BlueyHealer:
What I really dislike about Aatrix is that there seems to be no way to clean up the downloaded media - avatars and chat media are stored LITERALLY THE SAME, so from what I've seen, most you apparently can do is delete media older than X and bigger than Y.
15:57:44
DataHoarder:
you just don't see it on the protocol
15:57:57
DataHoarder:
I have, cause I implement the bridge and need to translate the URLs
15:58:15
BlueyHealer:
I do prefer XMPP or Matrix for 1-to-1 chats, I just like IRC for groups better.
15:58:22
DataHoarder:
example here 10:01:52 <br-m> <everchange000:matrix.org> https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/zbBwErSeYwUWFXrXUnbVAanH.png (2Euro_dfx_swiss.png)
15:58:42
DataHoarder:
the IRC clients show both images inline if you allow so
15:58:42
gan:skhron.org:
I like IRC for its true nature towards the web, but contextually while Matrix is a compromise, something like IRC or even XMPP are simply products of their era
15:59:07
DataHoarder:
yeah. IRCv3 adds on it but many of those extensions end up undesired on most networks
15:59:15
DataHoarder:
private servers though tend to use them all
15:59:25
DataHoarder:
email is also a product of its era :)
15:59:29
gan:skhron.org:
In context of internet-based services, I fundamentally think that mandated file storage is a mistake > <DataHoarder> guess how matrix sends files: as URLs lol
15:59:47
BlueyHealer:
My IRC client is in the terminal so it wouldn't have shown images even if I wanted it to.
15:59:52
DataHoarder:
specially in a way you don't even can garbage collect them
16:00:07
gan:skhron.org:
Simply sharing UR{I,L} is more truer to how the internet was supposed to be
16:00:07
DataHoarder:
you can show images in the terminal BlueyHealer
16:00:09
DataHoarder:
special ones, ofc
16:00:46
BlueyHealer:
In context of internet-based services, I fundamentally think that mandated file storage is a mistake <- YES. Also heard there were issues with some chats being spammed with illegal materials, and the homeservers storing everything kind of puts every participant on the list instead of just the server hosting the chatroom.
16:01:02
everchange000:matrix.org:
because it works? > <@hopeful26:unredacted.org> why people still using irc?
16:01:20
BlueyHealer:
Personally not seen that, thankfully... But the biggest problem of mine is that it clogs up very limited storage I have!
16:02:41
hopeful26:unredacted.org:
IRC not even have proper reply
16:02:50
DataHoarder:
they do
16:03:21
DataHoarder:
https://ircv3.net/specs/client-tags/reply
16:03:23
BlueyHealer:
Eh, that's a fair point - even XMPP kinda doesn't, you can only cite the message.
16:03:27
DataHoarder:
though not supported on libera
16:03:41
DataHoarder:
the bridge supports it and is tested
16:04:05
DataHoarder:
you can even send reactions to messages
16:04:07
BlueyHealer:
But wouldn't it show as a weird link on the IRC end?
16:04:07
DataHoarder:
you even have typing indicators on IRC
16:04:20
DataHoarder:
no, BlueyHealer, if client supports it shows as an actual reply
16:04:34
BlueyHealer:
On the current bridge? Oh, neat! Like, it even says which user is typing?
16:04:38
DataHoarder:
it's not bridge specific, it's IRCv3
16:04:47
BlueyHealer:
I mean if the client doesn't support it
16:04:48
DataHoarder:
no, that's IRCv3 message tags, which libera doesn't support
16:04:56
BlueyHealer:
Ah! v3 makes sense then.
16:05:08
DataHoarder:
my bridge actually quotes context
16:05:22
datahoarder:
BlueyHealer: if it doesn't support it the bridge converts them to quoted replies
16:05:26
DataHoarder:
or pings
16:05:38
DataHoarder:
lemme find an older message
16:05:39
datahoarder:
like this one :) > <BlueyHealer> Personally not seen that, thankfully... But the biggest problem of mine is that it clogs up very limited storage I have!
16:06:06
hopeful26:unredacted.org:
apparently v3 is far better than older versions, yes? > <DataHoarder> it's not bridge specific, it's IRCv3
16:06:18
DataHoarder:
there is no "older" versions
16:06:21
DataHoarder:
it's the same protocol
16:06:23
datahoarder:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/monero.social/TYfBDsLQQfvAFqVAHoIjcDTM.png (image.png)
16:06:43
DataHoarder:
they are extensions on it to add features or change behavior, communicate tags etc.
16:06:59
gan:skhron.org:
To add onto my previous comment, Federation as a whole is a compromise and often results in bad design choices and "natural" centralization, to me it's a constant reminder that we've lost the PRISM war, and {semi-,}distributed {semi-,}P2P networks are simply too slow to be publicly adopted, something that Nostr does is also vu [... too long, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/rtqiw9kKc2tHVTRG ]
16:06:59
gan:skhron.org:
DataHoarder: JSON-powered IRCv3 when? 🧌
16:07:13
DataHoarder:
BlueyHealer: https://ircv3.net/irc/
16:07:48
BlueyHealer:
I know what ircv3 is, I just didn't think of it because the bridge happens to be on a network not supporting it.
16:08:20
BlueyHealer:
<datahoarder> BlueyHealer: if it doesn't support it the bridge converts them to quoted replies <- Oh, neat!
16:09:13
BlueyHealer:
Centralization that "just happens" is still miles better than forced one tho
16:09:28
gan:skhron.org:
Contextually, Matrix-to-IRC bridges could support richer stuff (per-profile messages, proper quotes, and so on)
16:10:14
gan:skhron.org:
BlueyHealer: Kinda, we could look at email and for example see how much gmail takes up of the space
16:10:34
BlueyHealer:
Like with Signal. The appeal was that it's the easiest 1-to-1 replacement for Whatsapp. And then the cellular operators blocked signup SMS and now it's no longer "easy".
16:10:54
BlueyHealer:
What I wish I could do is block an individual Matrix spammer on my end.
16:11:05
DataHoarder:
> per-profile messages
16:11:07
DataHoarder:
?
16:11:15
DataHoarder:
yeah. quotes, replies etc. are supported via IRCv3 IRC -
16:11:19
DataHoarder:
IRC -> Matrix
16:11:26
BlueyHealer:
I guess he means bridging DMs somehow
16:11:40
DataHoarder:
and minor edits I have some lookups for it
16:11:41
DataHoarder:
I have DM bridging
16:11:47
BlueyHealer:
Oh, neat!
16:11:47
DataHoarder:
you just need a puppet on IRC side, which I don't create automatically at the moment
16:11:53
hopeful26:unredacted.org:
BlueyHealer: How?
16:13:47
hopeful26:unredacted.org:
@hopeful26:unredacted.org: "How so?" i think, my english is bad
16:14:58
gan:skhron.org:
https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-spec-proposals/pull/4144 could be interesting to use - maybe > <DataHoarder> > per-profile messages
16:15:05
Cindy:
DataHoarder: bridging DMs?
16:15:09
Cindy:
but how does that work
16:15:09
gan:skhron.org:
don't know if it's supported on Element however
16:15:20
Cindy:
oh wait, puppet on IRC
16:15:26
DataHoarder:
Cindy: it has a native user in IRC side
16:15:37
Cindy:
yeah that makes sense
16:15:40
DataHoarder:
the hard part is managing the rooms and invites on matrix side lol
16:15:45
DataHoarder:
and conversions etc.
16:16:04
gan:skhron.org:
Can't wait when somebody would develop Matrix-over-Matrix bridge
16:16:21
DataHoarder:
ah, @gan:skhron.org like for apps and stuff like that or non-permissioned bridges
16:16:34
BlueyHealer:
That's interesting!
16:16:54
BlueyHealer:
That could especially be useful for people migrating from, say, Whatsapp.
16:17:10
DataHoarder:
I could enable puppets later on after I move the bridge elsewhere
16:17:37
DataHoarder:
and make the per-user IPv6 assignment so they get an unique address (nicer all around)
16:17:47
DataHoarder:
I also have the requirement that all puppets have to do SASL via cert/account
16:18:39
DataHoarder:
so I don't create non-permissioned ones. this allows channel ops and network staff to manage any spam that may be created that skips limits
16:18:48
BlueyHealer:
How'd you have this many IPs? And what benefit does it have?
16:19:34
gan:skhron.org:
DataHoarder: I kinda dislike SASL within context of currently existing auth tech
16:19:48
DataHoarder:
SASL via certfp is nice :)
16:20:04
Cindy:
BlueyHealer: IPv6 gives you a biig range of addresses
16:20:09
DataHoarder:
it's intrinsic to TLS
16:20:11
DataHoarder:
it's the only one I support btw
16:20:13
Cindy:
since it has a larger address space
16:20:15
Cindy:
than IPv4
16:20:23
DataHoarder:
BlueyHealer: ^ that, I give the bridge a /48 or /64 if few
16:20:41
DataHoarder:
then assign each user its own there
16:20:48
Cindy:
it has 128 bits of address space
16:20:54
Cindy:
rather than 32 bits in IPv4
16:22:36
gan:skhron.org:
Good thing about IPv6 that it makes IP bans not effective at all (not like they're effective for IPv4 either to be honest)
16:23:02
Cindy:
people ban IPv6 addresses by entire ranges
16:23:07
Cindy:
not individual ones now
16:23:13
DataHoarder:
yeah
16:23:17
DataHoarder:
usually /64 min
16:23:40
DataHoarder:
unless I get wider ranges, meh
16:23:49
DataHoarder:
it's more for proper control (as puppets are tagged puppets in IRC ident)
16:24:34
gan:skhron.org:
I mean, IPv4 range/CIDR bans are also an expected way to ban an IP usually
16:24:48
Cindy:
yes but they're more narrow
16:25:04
gan:skhron.org:
But it's still easier to rotate IPv6 addresses overall
16:25:29
Cindy:
admins usually google your ISP's ASN announcements
16:25:34
Cindy:
to figure out what range they should ban
16:25:37
gan:skhron.org:
plus they're much cheaper (usually free), therefore obtaining them is not an issue
16:48:20
DataHoarder:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dMzlw-qSZI
16:48:40
DataHoarder:
> 39C3 - APT Down and the mystery of the burning data centers
16:52:16
gan:skhron.org:
https://app.media.ccc.de/v/39c3-apt-down-and-the-mystery-of-the-burning-data-centers - For True and Honest Haters of Centralization Among us
16:53:30
DataHoarder:
sadly no automatic transcripts there :(
16:53:45
DataHoarder:
thankfully they link them in the description
18:02:23
basses:matrix.org:
Microsoft Office renamed to “Microsoft 365 Copilot app”
18:02:23
basses:matrix.org:
https://www.office.com/
18:11:05
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Lmfao
18:11:20
DataHoarder:
this happened a year ago or so
18:12:13
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Theyre deprecating outlook lite for mobile 💢
18:12:41
BlueyHealer:
as if anything of value was lost
18:15:14
basses:matrix.org:
DataHoarder: yeah but now they remove the word "office" entirly
18:15:41
basses:matrix.org:
entirely*
19:50:20
0xfffc:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/monero.social/yfInVcYREsLQoQRyLrTEgQNr/bHdOHfBSG0GW0H1-ggJbZf5jUDUgIeA5YTysEcwOoR9xqk7m2HpIDQAAAAAAAAAA.mp4 (-1710775565638757588.mp4)
19:50:38
0xfffc:
The light bringer…