00:18:21
plowsof:
yes
00:18:53
plowsof:
less is more. you dont even have to trust the wallet, thats how secure it is
06:25:23
BlueyHealer:
Lawyer? As if an average person can afford a lawyer even remotely...
06:30:32
BlueyHealer:
For the other news - I'm also confused why you'd have a wallet as an extension and not standalone
07:41:04
orly_owl:
loiyah
15:59:58
basses:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/MrmRPqeNhocvSAhSwSINJfpB.jpeg (mblocks.jpeg)
16:02:10
Cindy_:
AI can generate the monero logo right now
16:02:12
Cindy_:
now?*
16:03:25
basses:matrix.org:
yep duck.ai
16:03:55
basses:matrix.org:
DataHoarder use on your website or too AI sloppy?
16:04:19
DataHoarder:
nah
16:04:24
DataHoarder:
use for where?
16:04:29
BlueyHealer:
EWWWW
16:04:32
Cindy_:
DataHoarder: do you prefer SVGs?
16:04:41
BlueyHealer:
Have human decency!
16:04:46
DataHoarder:
always lol
16:04:53
Cindy_:
i should remake the qubic logo in inkscape
16:04:59
Cindy_:
like, it looks simple enough to be a SVG
16:05:02
DataHoarder:
qubic has SVG
16:05:16
DataHoarder:
just not the colors so I got lazy
16:05:18
basses:matrix.org:
monero blocks > <DataHoarder> use for where?
16:05:26
DataHoarder:
yes. for where
16:05:26
BlueyHealer:
When it comes to GenAI, I can only think of an obscene phrase: "don't touch shit, won't stink as much"
16:05:37
Cindy_:
also it looks obviously AI
16:05:55
BlueyHealer:
It also gives people bad associations with a project
16:05:59
Cindy_:
it has those artifacts around the borders of the blocks, and the monero logo looks slightly bent
16:06:03
Cindy_:
around the edge
16:06:17
DataHoarder:
^ yeah it looks like it melts
16:06:19
BlueyHealer:
Like, crypto already had the technology's name stained by cryptobros, now AIbros are adding
16:06:19
DataHoarder:
jpeg ofc
16:06:21
DataHoarder:
not like it would do it fine
16:06:56
BlueyHealer:
I could do that in Inkscape myself even though I installed it a few days ago, and it wouldn't at least be slop
16:07:06
DataHoarder:
Cindy_: https://qubic.org/brand-kit
16:07:26
Cindy_:
DataHoarder: paint bucket.. boom
16:07:42
Cindy_:
also jesus christ that site is bloated
16:08:33
basses:matrix.org:
https://blocks.p2pool.observer/# > <DataHoarder> yes. for where
16:08:45
DataHoarder:
yes. FOR WHERE
16:08:49
DataHoarder:
where do you want that? or specific section?
16:08:56
Cindy_:
i think basses tried to copy a specific part
16:09:00
DataHoarder:
is it for block background? favicon?
16:09:00
Cindy_:
look at the hashtag
16:09:00
BlueyHealer:
the only place slop belongs is a virtual dumpster
16:09:10
BlueyHealer:
Cindy_, what does it mean
16:09:17
DataHoarder:
pools
16:09:31
BlueyHealer:
So someone is supposed to see an AI-generated thing? why?
16:09:38
basses:matrix.org:
DataHoarder: whatever you like
16:09:47
DataHoarder:
like I don't have a single image there that's why I ask
16:09:55
DataHoarder:
style might be nice, different colored blocks with a bezel
16:10:04
DataHoarder:
but yeah, not as an AI JPEG right-clickable NFT
16:10:20
Cindy_:
also the aspect ratio doesn't fit with the rest of the images
16:10:26
Cindy_:
most of the images in blocks. is 16x16
16:10:27
Cindy_:
i mean
16:10:28
Cindy_:
1:1
16:10:46
Cindy_:
square ratio, y'know
16:10:46
DataHoarder:
if now you click between blocks/pools/payments you will see the header change
16:10:55
DataHoarder:
I could have that be different colors and overlap the entire space :D
16:11:12
basses:matrix.org:
DataHoarder: I will sue anyone that steals my AI generated images
16:11:16
DataHoarder:
Cindy_: if you want to do SVG replacements, have a go https://git.gammaspectra.live/P2Pool/blocks.p2pool.observer/src/branch/master/static
16:11:24
basses:matrix.org:
You wouldn't right click
16:11:36
DataHoarder:
some might have had equivalent SVG but it was maybe wrong dimensions along with text
16:11:42
Cindy_:
AI generated images are considered public domain
16:11:46
Cindy_:
because they are not made by a human
16:12:03
DataHoarder:
that said
16:12:15
BlueyHealer:
DataHoarder | like I don't have a single image there that's why I ask <- imo better nothing than generated things
16:12:17
DataHoarder:
some definitely have an SVG behind
16:12:19
DataHoarder:
https://git.gammaspectra.live/P2Pool/blocks.p2pool.observer/src/branch/master/static/ccs.png
16:12:21
DataHoarder:
... but png
16:12:34
DataHoarder:
I mean I have many images, not a "single" one :)
16:12:52
DataHoarder:
1720x1720px png
16:13:05
BlueyHealer:
seriously, why expose an actual human to generated images, this brings me pain
16:15:48
BlueyHealer:
Also a lot of people are turned away from places (or at least have VERY negative associations) if they see genai used. Like, gives off scam vibes, because scammers LOVE it.
16:16:06
DataHoarder:
also that specific genai site template with colors
16:17:33
Cindy_:
done
16:23:05
Cindy_:
BlueyHealer: also i hate genAI images too
16:23:15
basses:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/fTApXhUdPTJKcnyebTVzMfxj.png (clipboard.png)
16:23:18
Cindy_:
like.. most often than not, i can tell that something is generated
16:23:21
basses:matrix.org:
DataHoarder what u think? hand made
16:23:38
BlueyHealer:
Cindy_, even if not, it's disgusting on some level
16:23:39
DataHoarder:
I love the little circle edge :)
16:23:49
DataHoarder:
seam visible
16:24:02
BlueyHealer:
that's all fixable)
16:24:07
DataHoarder:
as usual by logos. bring it to 16x16
16:24:12
Cindy_:
also the box on the right bottom corner
16:24:17
Cindy_:
transparent edges visible
16:24:20
DataHoarder:
is it still recognizeable?
16:24:37
basses:matrix.org:
> transparent edges visible
16:24:37
basses:matrix.org:
yep, rough
16:24:51
basses:matrix.org:
> I love the little circle edge :)
16:24:51
basses:matrix.org:
that the M in monero logo btw
16:25:08
Cindy_:
but i appreciate you taking the effort :P
16:25:37
DataHoarder:
yep
16:26:23
basses:matrix.org:
yeah, thx im not a designer obviously lol
16:27:02
Cindy_:
me neither :P
16:27:15
BlueyHealer:
Also, Inkscape at least has layers! If I were designing something, I could use it as a layer underneath to "trace" over cleanly.
16:27:52
BlueyHealer:
tbh cleaning simple drawings up is something that's just enjoyable.
16:27:55
DataHoarder:
open https://blocks.p2pool.observer/fullplot.svg in inkscape
16:28:30
BlueyHealer:
lol why is this whole thing an svg?
16:28:43
DataHoarder:
because it's a tree generator
16:28:52
DataHoarder:
to support many layers of orphaning and altchains
16:29:08
DataHoarder:
example https://blocks.p2pool.observer/event/reorg_sep14_18/plot.svg
16:29:17
DataHoarder:
^ this is live generated each restart :D
16:29:36
DataHoarder:
or the many orphans here https://stressnet.p2pool.observer/
16:29:40
DataHoarder:
which sometimes overlap
16:30:56
BlueyHealer:
Ah
16:31:19
DataHoarder:
try to get the arrow layout in pure html + css properly :D
16:31:21
DataHoarder:
and not using a canvas
16:31:25
BlueyHealer:
I am sorry for a dumb question but I'm just not understanding what such a tree is needed in an SVG format for?
16:31:53
BlueyHealer:
Oh you explained it before I could finish typing
16:32:24
BlueyHealer:
And why shouldn't a canvas be used? It's just the first time I see things laid out like this.
16:32:50
DataHoarder:
canvas would require JS
16:32:52
DataHoarder:
or rendering png server side
16:32:58
DataHoarder:
(it did that before, actually, with Rucknium's version)
16:33:22
DataHoarder:
there's no good way to make "lines" in html
16:33:24
DataHoarder:
specially when it's not a single chain of blocks
16:33:36
DataHoarder:
it might split, one ends, but three more split, some disappear etc.
16:33:58
DataHoarder:
this creates the structure in SVG and places the lines in space
16:34:05
DataHoarder:
browser renders the result at the best scale
16:34:35
DataHoarder:
because it's CSS, it also uses the best density available so it'll look crisp, always
16:34:36
BlueyHealer:
Ah, so you're trying to make it work in browsers that have JS disabled!
16:34:38
DataHoarder:
infinitely zoomable
16:34:55
DataHoarder:
oh yeah, this whole thing has no JS
16:34:58
BlueyHealer:
nice
16:35:05
DataHoarder:
it gets cached
16:35:25
DataHoarder:
page is refreshed automatically too via an http header
16:35:27
DataHoarder:
https://blocks.p2pool.observer/pools also JS-less
16:35:29
DataHoarder:
but responsive
16:35:57
DataHoarder:
try making it smaller, things expand/go away, or even coalesce into one column
16:36:05
basses:matrix.org:
BlueyHealer: if it is Tor, it wont load
16:36:06
basses:matrix.org:
svg is script
16:36:25
DataHoarder:
svg is not script
16:36:28
DataHoarder:
it loads on tor
16:36:32
basses:matrix.org:
can run scripts*
16:36:36
DataHoarder:
you can however block SVGs explicitly
16:36:58
DataHoarder:
not if you disable scripts
16:37:00
DataHoarder:
and I don't use scripts in SVG
16:37:35
DataHoarder:
so I target "safe" not safest ofc
16:37:41
BlueyHealer:
basses, no, I understand - I have JS disabled by default in my daily browser too (although more to get rid of annoyances)
16:38:02
basses:matrix.org:
nope, try Safest mode > <DataHoarder> it loads on tor
16:38:09
DataHoarder:
17:38:04 <DataHoarder> so I target "safe" not safest ofc
16:38:13
BlueyHealer:
Also, TIL that safest can break SVGs
16:38:21
basses:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/vodcliRmdvyidUeOELyNcNFv.png (clipboard.png)
16:38:24
DataHoarder:
safest also disables css stuff
16:38:26
DataHoarder:
so you can't make it responsive
16:38:28
DataHoarder:
yes
16:38:30
DataHoarder:
I am aware
16:38:33
DataHoarder:
but disable just scripting
16:38:37
DataHoarder:
that will work fine
16:38:54
BlueyHealer:
basses, so does Safest break SVGs in general?
16:39:03
DataHoarder:
it disables many formats
16:39:10
BlueyHealer:
(I just don't use Tor that much, you could tell)
16:39:16
basses:matrix.org:
BlueyHealer: always, thats why new monero site redesign doesn't use SVGs at all
16:39:24
BlueyHealer:
Ah! Thanks.
16:39:29
DataHoarder:
SVG, certain images, videos, js etc.
16:39:31
DataHoarder:
changes what CSS is available
16:39:33
DataHoarder:
so even static stuff can break
16:39:35
basses:matrix.org:
BlueyHealer: it disables it as DH said
16:40:23
basses:matrix.org:
and many other stuff that can be used for tracking like in CSS prefers-color-scheme etc
16:41:20
DataHoarder:
anyhow. if you have NoScript, SVG works
16:41:21
basses:matrix.org:
I think this is even the default in safe mode
16:41:22
DataHoarder:
script in svg ofc won't work
16:41:29
DataHoarder:
yeah, but not as much breakage
16:41:55
BlueyHealer:
Yeah, about the CSS tracking I know
16:41:56
DataHoarder:
targeting Safe + NoScript
17:07:44
basses:matrix.org:
fixing these white edges is killing me, im doing the dumber way and there is probably a better way, if someone wants to replicate this design
17:07:53
basses:matrix.org:
. > <@basses:matrix.org> https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/fTApXhUdPTJKcnyebTVzMfxj.png (clipboard.png)
17:08:02
basses:matrix.org:
https://www.svgrepo.com/svg/371721/blocks-group
17:08:51
basses:matrix.org:
color empty space orange (monero logo color #f26723) and place M letter from monero logo at middle
18:20:27
basses:matrix.org:
best I could do
18:20:37
basses:matrix.org:
DataHoarder
18:20:37
basses:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/KzfuLMwrAZoCKchNYRqtidJf.png (monblock.png)
18:39:06
DataHoarder:
32x32 scaling, with none. not that bad, after I cropped to content https://irc.gammaspectra.live/e3d53ebf72d8858f/image.png
18:39:10
DataHoarder:
but you still have holes :D
18:50:02
basses:matrix.org:
DataHoarder: wtf lol
18:50:16
basses:matrix.org:
minecraft blocks
18:52:35
Cindy_:
minecraft texture pack
18:55:22
basses:matrix.org:
I think AI magic will be helpful here
18:57:46
basses:matrix.org:
you can use https://realfavicongenerator.net/ ?
18:58:44
basses:matrix.org:
but still high image size?
20:12:10
DataHoarder:
fuck no
20:12:21
DataHoarder:
can't understand the problem -> yeah let's use AI
20:12:28
DataHoarder:
now you can't understand how wrong it will be
20:15:05
basses:matrix.org:
how wrong will it be?
20:16:12
Cindy_:
i draw stuff by myself in GIMP :P
20:16:16
Cindy_:
i never used AI for image gen
20:16:46
basses:matrix.org:
I never said use AI to generate a new image
20:17:00
basses:matrix.org:
just scale it to 32x32
20:27:07
ufo808:matrix.org:
Cindy, It’s fun, try Google’s nano banana it’s free
20:27:50
basses:matrix.org:
yeah, I had nano in my mind the whole time, I don't think anything comes close to it
20:29:22
Cindy_:
ufo808: i don't have a google account
20:34:58
ufo808:matrix.org:
why? google does good things except being a giant evil corporation that take over the world
20:36:56
ufo808:matrix.org:
gemini llm is also smart and free, they have excellent terminal app gemini-cli that can run stuff on your pc
20:39:44
Cindy_:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYXVhTUIQGc
23:22:58
hopeful387:unredacted.org:
Hello. How you all use to torrenting?
23:26:28
gan:skhron.org:
Normally?
23:27:12
gan:skhron.org:
Could you be more specific?
23:42:22
ravfx:xmr.mx:
@hopeful387:unredacted.org: Why torrenting when you can use that network from the 70's
23:42:22
ravfx:xmr.mx:
That allow you to get all the content at the speed of the modem...
23:42:22
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Without needing to share (so legal in most/all jurediction)
23:43:21
ravfx:xmr.mx:
An it actually work if the content have been uploaded in the last 10 years (unlike torrent, as they get dead after less than two years normally, like 0 seed and 3 peers that are stuck at 99.9977777%
23:45:47
DataHoarder:
or private trackers ofc
23:46:13
DataHoarder:
usenet will have most stuff gone, and you will have to pay $$$ to access it for more than 2y+ past
23:46:29
DataHoarder:
10y one for example
23:46:31
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Sure, Less content, and again, if it's too "old" it dead, at least for the spanish content I try to get there (as everything else is on that old network from the 70's)
23:46:34
DataHoarder:
good luck getting anything without a secret indexer
23:46:50
ravfx:xmr.mx:
DataHoarder: I like the secret indexer
23:46:57
DataHoarder:
more $$$
23:47:00
ravfx:xmr.mx:
it just work
23:47:02
DataHoarder:
but yeah usenet if you can $$$ it works
23:47:09
ravfx:xmr.mx:
and it's free
23:47:16
ravfx:xmr.mx:
except if you need api access for over 100 nzb per day or something
23:47:56
ravfx:xmr.mx:
only money drain is the usenet account yeah, that it's like 1/4 of a netflix account if you can find a good deal
23:48:13
ravfx:xmr.mx:
I don't mind paying that for what I get seriously
23:49:35
hopeful387:unredacted.org:
@gan:skhron.org: yes
23:50:41
hopeful387:unredacted.org:
what network? sorry my bad english > <@ravfx:xmr.mx> Why torrenting when you can use that network from the 70's
23:51:11
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Usenet
23:51:18
ravfx:xmr.mx:
@hopeful387:unredacted.org
23:52:27
hopeful387:unredacted.org:
@ravfx:xmr.mx: i dont know this netwokr
23:53:53
gan:skhron.org:
I use qbittorrent and indexers like 1337x, rutracker, thepiratebay, but for Steam games I usually use cs.rin.ru
23:54:43
gan:skhron.org:
Never had the need to use private trackers
23:55:53
hopeful387:unredacted.org:
@gan:skhron.org: Dont use I2P?
23:56:25
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Russia don't gaf if you pirate western content afaik
23:56:27
gan:skhron.org:
@hopeful387:unredacted.org: I seed over i2p and yggdrasil, but postman rarely have interesting stuff on it
23:56:53
gan:skhron.org:
plus indeed, why I'd use I2P, if I could just use my regular connection
23:57:35
hopeful387:unredacted.org:
@gan:skhron.org: thanks for sseding over i2p :)