16:06:16
nilbogliv3:matrix.org:
is it true that fluffypony is a dirty little piggy?
16:06:50
nilbogliv3:matrix.org:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1rhcz7c/fluffy_pony_stole_867_xmr_and_refuses_to/
16:24:51
rbrunner7:
It's written on the internet, it must be true
16:32:20
intr:unredacted.org:
@nilbogliv3:matrix.org: I believe he showers regularly
16:59:11
kiersten5821:matrix.org:
@nilbogliv3:matrix.org: wait, the guy who lost all the funds from the "cold wallet" which was really a random internet-connected vps holding the keys that he regularly sshed into from his windows pc is STILL in charge of the funds?
17:00:12
kiersten5821:matrix.org:
and not only that but fluffypony also had access to those funds? https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/916
17:05:18
ofrnxmr:
@kiersten5821:matrix.org: Where do u get yur info from
17:05:42
ofrnxmr:
The wallet was never on a vps
17:05:46
ofrnxmr:
And there are multiple wallets
17:07:49
kiersten5821:matrix.org:
@ofrnxmr: ok replace vps with computer
17:07:58
ofrnxmr:
There was an FFS wallet (this is the subject), a ccs wallet (drained, luigi custody), a new ccs wallet (airgapped, luigi custody), an old generalfund (gf1, multiple people have access), and a new generalfund (gf2, less people have access. Funds from gf1 are swept to gf2)
17:08:12
ofrnxmr:
@kiersten5821:matrix.org: Iirc, it was a VM
17:08:20
ofrnxmr:
An ubuntu vm, to be exact
17:08:26
kiersten5821:matrix.org:
yes, i meant the ccs drain
17:10:06
ofrnxmr:
Yes, luigi is still in charge of the ccs funds. The issue you responded to, luigi was not in charge of (the FFS wallet)
17:10:23
kiersten5821:matrix.org:
yes i know that
17:10:27
ofrnxmr:
Retards on github are talking about finding a new custodian due to lost confidence in the generalfund
17:10:37
ofrnxmr:
Honestly km getting annoyed with ppl who cant read
17:11:02
ofrnxmr:
Not saying youre one of them, just everytime the subject comes up its full of total nonsense
17:11:28
ofrnxmr:
Like, theres enough facts to make a good arguement, idk why ppl are so hell bent on making shit up
17:12:41
ofrnxmr:
A new custodian for the general fund* > <@ofrnxmr> Retards on github are talking about finding a new custodian due to lost confidence in the generalfund
17:13:25
plowsof:
nor was luigi the sole holder of the CCS wallet keys as a journalist falsely insinuated today on reddit!
17:13:42
ofrnxmr:
^
17:14:51
ofrnxmr:
they could have been stolen by some rogue cia employee after collecting copies of fluffy's drives
17:15:17
ofrnxmr:
Could have been stolen by the same person who returned the funds
17:17:07
kiersten5821:matrix.org:
is this whole thing not absurd
17:17:07
kiersten5821:matrix.org:
* so 867 xmr are missing from the ffs, and these funds are supposedly under fluffypony control, and he isn't responding
17:17:07
kiersten5821:matrix.org:
* the ccs got drained 2 years ago
17:17:07
kiersten5821:matrix.org:
* the funds in the ccs drain were sitting on an internet-connected ubuntu virtual machine... server... wow almost a vps (except i guess it wasn't private LMFAO)[... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/ttWZn-sKU2ZzNUNf ]
17:17:56
kiersten5821:matrix.org:
am i the only person looking at this and saying wow. this is among the most retarded behavior i've ever seen
17:23:56
hbs:matrix.org:
@kiersten5821:matrix.org: And you came out of nowhere to tell that to the whole Monero community just like that? Thanks for the heads up.
17:55:02
kiersten5821:matrix.org:
@hbs:matrix.org: you're welcome
18:03:55
rottenwheel:unredacted.org:
plowsof it's not false that he's still doing the same thing he was doing before getting the pot stolen from his hands. you can tag, don't be a cunt as usual. 😉
18:04:41
rottenwheel:unredacted.org:
if I am a journalist, you are a magnificent, principled secretary. since we're on the lying page of the book, might as well. 👍🫡
18:05:37
rottenwheel:unredacted.org:
@kiersten5821:matrix.org: don't forget the dozens and hundreds of complicit people who say and do nothing about it. Mr. Mario claimed he was going to be replaced "when the appropriate replacement came by."
18:06:25
rottenwheel:unredacted.org:
bag of roaches, grifters. all the while Mr. Ofrn goes wild with his tourettes. 😂 Comical.
18:07:20
nioc:
Who here is the appropriate replacement?
18:08:42
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Rotten, obviously. Who lost 5k of his own money
18:09:56
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
the point about "still storing funds in an extremely hot wallet" is false
18:10:24
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
The big ccs wallet is airgapped, and there js a second, smaller ccs wallet used for payouts
18:10:57
kiersten5821:matrix.org:
where did anyone claim the funds are still being stored in an extremely hot wallet
18:11:15
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Your 5th bullet
18:11:28
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Oh nvm
18:11:32
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Read it wrong
18:12:01
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
even still, the funds werent swept from the wallet, they were swept from monerujo
18:13:17
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
So the seed was compromised at some point in time, which could easily have been during fluffy arrest. Fluffy stepped away from all core duties etc, and we were supposed to revoke his access to anything
18:15:45
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
The fact thst we didnt use a new wallet for the ccs is our own fault. Iirc, te generalfund was storing all funds on using the old seed until after the ccs hack
18:15:46
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
If it was fluffy, why would he strad 2700 from ccs instesd of 10k from generalfund?
18:15:46
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
s/strad/steal
18:16:43
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
I was against luigi being reinstated as custodiab
18:16:50
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
But, since you werent here, let me remind you:
18:19:19
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
There are a fuck ton of bad actors here.
18:19:19
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
While trying to find a solution movibg forward, ccs was shut down for like 4 months. When the funds were replenished, we owed it to contributors to continue to raise funds for their work. In the meantines, the generalfund was willing to provide backpay to core devs
18:19:39
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
So to end the 4 month long filibuster, we agreed to continue with luigi at least until we had a user friendly multisig, or fcmp and the frost multisig was out
18:20:49
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
accounting and oversight was never great. There was a time when diego was on core's payroll, and receivinf pay from the generalfund
18:21:05
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
But the ccs wallet was used to mske those payments, and reimbursed from the GF
18:21:37
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Obviously nobody knew about this until a transparency report about it
18:23:51
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
But then again, the generalfund has never been a community maintained/managed fund
18:27:19
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
And ccs wallet has been used for more than ccs payments. And these are things we only know because we were told about them
18:35:20
kiersten5821:matrix.org:
you are right, i wasn't in any of the chats when the drain happened, i read and looked into that after seeing it in some news and it looked very bad indeed. i don't see what the general fund has to do with any of this, the problems just look like this
18:35:21
kiersten5821:matrix.org:
* fluffy radio silence on the 867 xmr from the ffs (not great but maybe he has an excuse)
18:35:21
kiersten5821:matrix.org:
* ccs wallet poor security practice (bad)
18:35:21
kiersten5821:matrix.org:
* the guy who implemented all the poor security practices is still in charge after it got drained (very bad)[... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/k865oesKQ1FGYkky ]
18:35:59
plowsof:
nioc the appropriate replacement would most likely be a 2 of N multisig wallet - where nobody will know who signed the tx to drain the wallet so everyone has some plausible deniability 💪
18:37:25
plowsof:
waiting for FCMP++ so the withdrawal doesnt have to be churned
18:39:31
plowsof:
luigi owns 90% of the entire emission of monero, he's not stealing 2.6k monero - the custody of the wallet is on a volunteer basis, a thankless task and a burden on his daily life - citation: i had a dream about it
18:47:45
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
plowsof: Yea, lmao. Ppl were advocating for nonsensical shjt likr 8/40
18:48:33
plowsof:
the signers will be cycled every week to ensure they dont become stale or compromised
18:48:35
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
And other assholes were entertaining these ridoculous "solutions"
18:49:39
321bob321:
Move burden to plowsof
18:51:05
321bob321:
How to apply to be one of 40 ?
18:55:51
plowsof:
a bit rude to overstep moneroTreasury TBH
18:56:58
plowsof:
https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1326#issuecomment-3977839969 😆
19:00:26
nioc:
"the guy who implemented all the poor security practices is still in charge after it got drained (very bad)" <<>> one learns more from failures than from successes
19:01:33
nioc:
and I doubt he alone implemented all of them
19:01:44
nioc:
plenty of blame to go around
19:06:32
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Plot twist: nioc's cat had a copy of the seed as well
19:06:56
321bob321:
Ubuntu 25.10 ?
19:07:25
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
plowsof: Seriously. my name if jessica orlando, and i am a registered entity. My handles were created in jan2026. Pick me
19:09:39
321bob321:
Jessie's girl
19:40:01
hbs:matrix.org:
Published an update to the (completed) EVM-XMR Atomic Swap UI CCS - https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/597#note_34700
19:45:59
nioc:
completed!
19:47:05
321bob321:
Bot broken ?
20:05:05
nioc:
i m not broken
20:36:59
diego:cypherstack.com:
The good ol days > <@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> accounting and oversight was never great. There was a time when diego was on core's payroll, and receivinf pay from the generalfund
20:37:05
diego:cypherstack.com:
When things got done
22:22:33
geonic:
btw, it was fluffy who hired diego using GF funds without notifying the community
22:29:00
321bob321:
Conspiracy a foot
22:30:07
geonic:
fact, not conspiracy
22:30:39
321bob321:
Tx ID ?
22:31:52
geonic:
I’ll let you search the chat logs in this channel if you don’t want to take my word for it
22:34:36
geonic:
ofc the rest of core didn’t object and diego was in no hurry to reveal the arrangement either so it’s not all fluffy’s fault, but he came up with the arrangement
22:35:22
geonic:
so yeah, there’s a bit of a pattern to fluffy treating community funds as his personal piggy bank
22:35:47
nioc:
again those were funds under the control of core and not community directed funds
22:41:13
nioc:
could it should it have been handled more openly?
22:41:15
nioc:
sure
22:44:35
nioc:
is this past the statue of limitations yet?
22:47:05
geonic:
the two are supposed to overlap and in this case they didn’t, which is why core ended up with egg on their face and diego was let go. lessons were learned and now diego is offering his services on the open market like everyone else. happy end
22:50:31
geonic:
I thought the subject here is fluffypony continuing to hold the keys to a wallet he should have relinquished when he resigned
22:52:10
n1oc:
[CCS Proposals] selsta opened merge request #648: selsta part-time monero development (3 months) (20) https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/648
22:55:26
diego:cypherstack.com:
Incorrect. It was fluffy who had the idea and brought it to cores attention and they all agreed. > <geonic> btw, it was fluffy who hired diego using GF funds without notifying the community
22:56:06
diego:cypherstack.com:
Also I revealed pretty quick in person and elsewhere. Dunno where you were. > <geonic> ofc the rest of core didn’t object and diego was in no hurry to reveal the arrangement either so it’s not all fluffy’s fault, but he came up with the arrangement
23:02:16
geonic:
diego: reimagining the past doesn’t help. if you’d like to repair your reputation as a grifter and traitor, ask core to retract the statement they issued after they fired you. also, this is not about you, get over yourself.
23:03:41
ofrnxmr:
Where's 7/10 of the core team now
23:04:09
ofrnxmr:
Didnt they just fuck off / go AWOL
23:06:14
geonic:
I think that was their stated goal