08:38:02
zombie:catgirl.cloud:
$XMR TO MOON 🚀
08:54:16
angled:matrix.angled.rip:
@zombie:catgirl.cloud: real
08:55:24
angled:matrix.angled.rip:
higher price higher security budget, literally everyone wins
09:22:41
zombie:catgirl.cloud:
All you need to do is buy and hold, or even consider doing Dollar-Cost Averaging (DCA).
09:26:49
321bob321:
Nioc confirm mooning ?
11:17:08
ohchase:envs.net:
This was a random thing that came to my head a couple years ago but I never took the time to share. I figure there is some rap fans in the monero community.
11:17:08
ohchase:envs.net:
But anyways in Lil Wayne's, "6 foot 7 foot" song which is vulgar but also an objectively a titan in hip hop word play, there is a bars, "real G's move in silence like lasagna" (read it over a couple times, takes a bit to understand) and whenever I hear it I can't help but think of monero lol
11:18:49
BlueyHealer:
Is the title of the song referring to the meme? I see it referenced pretty frequently in my game's chat.
11:19:54
ohchase:envs.net:
Nah this came out in 2010 predates the 67 meme by 15 years
11:20:38
BlueyHealer:
lol
11:20:51
ohchase:envs.net:
I don't make art, and didn't want to AI generate some slop but a monero logo dripping like lasagna with that bar could be a cool sunday reddit post, I'd need to check the subreddit's rules on when you can post troll stuff
11:25:13
BlueyHealer:
Just don't post slop online okay? A lot of people are really grossed out and that greatly overshadows whatever point you would've wanted to make.
11:25:51
BlueyHealer:
BTW unrelated but I love that Graphene's forums explicitly banned generated texts now with the sole exception of translations.
11:27:13
ohchase:envs.net:
BlueyHealer: 100% I was just sharing the idea, the thought is original I just don't have the talent to create the artwork organically
11:38:56
BlueyHealer:
I'm sorry if i sound rude then but then it's either best to keep it to yourself, to sketch something basic or to start drawing more to improve yourself)
11:39:24
BlueyHealer:
Crude sketches can be so charming. Like, one of the funniest videos I've seen is stickman drawings XD
11:45:31
ohchase:envs.net:
Nope all good, this was just me thought dumping, I am not going to post anything haha. More if some artist thought the idea was cool, could be cool to see them take a stab at making it (without ai)
12:00:11
BlueyHealer:
))
12:13:30
Cindy:
BlueyHealer: i'm glad to see some backlash against unfettered slop
12:16:01
ohchase:envs.net:
sorry just to clarify I was just sharing my thought, (I'm vain) I had no intention to post AI slop please don't think I was encouraging that :(
12:16:07
Cindy:
it's okay!
12:16:15
Cindy:
i wasn't talking about you lol
12:16:17
Cindy:
you're fine
12:19:01
Cindy:
also btw, i never really used AI image generation
12:20:05
Cindy:
the last model i used was stable diffusion back when it was just a novelty lol
12:20:43
Cindy:
but i never used it for anything serious
12:22:13
zombie:catgirl.cloud:
Haha good one. > <@ohchase:envs.net> This was a random thing that came to my head a couple years ago but I never took the time to share. I figure there is some rap fans in the monero community.
12:23:11
zombie:catgirl.cloud:
Lmao AI is the future get over it. > <BlueyHealer> Just don't post slop online okay? A lot of people are really grossed out and that greatly overshadows whatever point you would've wanted to make.
12:24:20
Cindy:
of course there'd be slop ass-kissers here
12:24:43
zombie:catgirl.cloud:
I don’t even use AI.
12:24:55
zombie:catgirl.cloud:
It’s just common sense.
12:25:02
Cindy:
i use neural networks
12:25:47
zombie:catgirl.cloud:
It’s quite cringe to witness your reaction when someone casually mentions the idea of using AI.
12:26:31
Cindy:
i'm not actually against "AI", or what people are actually referring to, neural networks for certain tasks
12:26:43
Cindy:
i use it myself to detect NSFW stuff automatically
12:27:03
Cindy:
i'm against the massive generative models that just waste power to produce slop
12:27:33
Cindy:
while companies continue to feed more RAM and GPU into it
12:27:38
Cindy:
at the expense of others
12:28:32
BlueyHealer:
This sounds like a troll. I am not engaging and feels like you shouldn't too. They're after the engagement.
12:31:03
zombie:catgirl.cloud:
Cindy: Yes, on that point, I somewhat agree with you.
12:31:21
Cindy:
i remember i was enthusiast about neural networks, when they were open (hah, get it OPENAI?)
12:31:47
zombie:catgirl.cloud:
BlueyHealer: You get “trolling” from a simple discussion?
12:32:11
Cindy:
like cool shit would have a long ass whitepaper describing every little bit about it: the specs of the model, what it can do over the previous attempts
12:32:19
Cindy:
and sometimes even source code
12:32:23
BlueyHealer:
zombie, from the tone, rather
12:32:30
zombie:catgirl.cloud:
Cindy: Now those days was based.
12:32:36
Cindy:
now it's just giant black boxes
12:33:23
zombie:catgirl.cloud:
BlueyHealer: I apologize, but how can you discern the tone of a text?
12:33:45
Cindy:
giant black boxes that, you don't need to worry about how it works internally
12:33:54
zombie:catgirl.cloud:
Cindy: It could have been much better. I am left disappointed.
12:34:00
Cindy:
just eat up the slop, dummy. no thinking
12:34:44
zombie:catgirl.cloud:
Cindy: Just leads back to people and their nature of wanting things easy
12:35:37
Cindy:
zombie: this all started when "AI" research moved from universities and collaborative thinking to giant for-profit companies and competition
12:36:01
Cindy:
you can't collaborate with others if you wanna make profit
12:37:00
Cindy:
you have to have the BEST model
12:37:09
BlueyHealer:
zombie, from words like "lmao it's the future get over it"
12:37:21
Cindy:
but it was never about the best, it was just about the fun of seeing it work
12:37:31
Cindy:
and the hard work that went into it
12:37:46
hooftly:matrix.org:
Sam altman used Alec Radford to get GPT-1 off the groubd and bait and switched. Do any of you even know who Radford is?
12:37:51
BlueyHealer:
But yeah, seems like you're actually more civil than that.
12:38:44
Cindy:
do you think there's any potential profit from a GAN that can only generate realistic faces?
12:38:57
Cindy:
no, there's not. but it was done only for fun
12:39:06
BlueyHealer:
Cindy, absolutely. Porn and fake news.
12:39:17
Cindy:
BlueyHealer: i'm talking about ThisPersonDoesNotExist
12:39:30
Cindy:
or what it uses underneath, StyleGAN
12:40:03
BlueyHealer:
Very! That's one use of GenAI I can get behind - creating less suspicious avatars for when they're needed.
12:40:06
Cindy:
you can't make the model generate a specific face
12:40:20
Cindy:
it only generates whatever looks like a human face.. or the equivalent of the sims randomizer
12:40:27
zombie:catgirl.cloud:
Cindy, that quite a lot to think about. Thanks for sharing.
12:40:31
BlueyHealer:
I prefer to have a meme there but if I wanted, say, some more "serious" account where it is unacceptable - yeah.
12:46:08
Cindy:
ThisPersonDoesNotExist is not profitable, but that wasn't the point
12:46:18
Cindy:
the point is to see a computer program literally generate a realistic human face on its own
12:47:12
BlueyHealer:
Yeah. Doubles (I don't know how intentionally) as a statement for convincing online alt accounts.
12:47:14
Cindy:
and the site literally generates a image for you.. for free on their own servers too
12:47:23
Cindy:
no ads, or subscriptions or whatver bullshit
12:47:33
BlueyHealer:
Yeah, that's nice.
12:48:03
Cindy:
but nowadays if you search up ThisPersonDoesNotExist, all you get in the search terms are a bunch of SEO-optimized clones running the same code but putting a giant watermark on it and charging 15 dollars for image generation
12:48:12
Cindy:
all above the real site
12:48:27
BlueyHealer:
Oh, didn't know that!
12:48:29
Cindy:
because, dare i say, it's AI
12:48:36
Cindy:
and AI good right?
12:49:11
BlueyHealer:
I assumed people switched to the more advanced mainstream models for this now...
12:51:57
Cindy:
point i'm making is that AI used to be just for shits and giggles, like for fun
12:52:07
Cindy:
until it became corporate and profit-driven
12:52:50
Cindy:
sure, AI was still used in serious contexts, but the generative stuff would just be for fun
12:53:39
Cindy:
i think the most they used it for was moderation or something
12:55:25
ohchase:envs.net:
This is my vibe with crypto in general also, desire for making money perverted crypto versus the desire for decentralized monero > <Cindy> point i'm making is that AI used to be just for shits and giggles, like for fun
12:57:01
BlueyHealer:
be just for shits and giggles, like for fun <- I also despise when it's used for memes because memes are just so inherently human.
12:57:39
BlueyHealer:
Cindy | i think the most they used it for was moderation or something <- Yeah, that sounds fair enough. As long as you can actually appeal that and not like on Youtube.
12:58:11
BlueyHealer:
Also this would probably be able to recognize and "review" spammers!
12:59:52
Cindy:
0x0.st uses a NSFW detector model for example
13:00:02
Cindy:
to automatically flag porn
14:52:19
gingeropolous:
lol monero.fail https://monero.definitelynotafed.com:443
15:11:50
plowsof:
trustednode .net 😃
15:13:17
plowsof:
the new look is great
16:31:31
ohchase:envs.net:
yoooo new monero.fail design looks awesome
16:31:49
ohchase:envs.net:
table width a little janky but general style looks cool
16:32:03
ky:tilde.horse:
i think the old one was better 😞
17:39:39
rottenwheel:unredacted.org:
Cindy: TIL.
17:40:16
rottenwheel:unredacted.org:
@ohchase:envs.net: https://media.tenor.com/9MZIctn7rDcAAAAC/girl-same-willem-dafoe.gif
17:40:50
rottenwheel:unredacted.org:
What does CORS stand for on monero.fail? What's that flag about?
17:40:50
Cindy:
did monero.fail add a rate-limit now?
17:41:04
rottenwheel:unredacted.org:
Cindy: No clue, it didn't for me, yet, at least.
17:41:11
rottenwheel:unredacted.org:
@lza_menace:monero.social: around? :D
17:41:11
Cindy:
after the whole I2P node spam thing
17:41:20
gan:skhron.org:
@rottenwheel:unredacted.org: I assume - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-origin_resource_sharing
17:41:27
Cindy:
the node list was completely filled with random I2P nodes
17:59:45
lza_menace:
@rottenwheel:unredacted.org: CORS means that the node has TLS encryption + allows web requests to be made from other sites, meaning, if i have a new monero web service I could real-time interact with that node from my web page using Javascript
18:00:36
Cindy:
lza_menace: doesn't that require a reverse proxy?
18:02:41
dukenukem:
lza_menace copy that, thanks.
18:03:13
gan:skhron.org:
Having a functional service in most cases requires usage of reverse proxies
18:04:18
lza_menace:
Cindy: not always, but it's usually easier/better. monerod options do support this
18:04:30
lza_menace:
the TLS flags to point to a cert + --rpc-access-control-origins
18:16:54
lza_menace:
not rate limiting, but better logic in place to clean up / remove excessive nodes > <Cindy> did monero.fail add a rate-limit now?
18:18:03
DataHoarder:
zmq-pub checks? :D
18:25:33
dukenukem:
DataHoarder: ICYMI. https://0x0.st/Pssd.png || https://www.revuo-xmr.com/weekly/issue-252/
18:27:21
datahoarder:
Nice!
18:27:55
datahoarder:
You can filter by any ID, however I filter out payments from Monero pools (these tend to happen continuously)
18:28:29
datahoarder:
Note this is also done on any transaction even historical ones, if you want to see the details. Also allows proofs
18:28:57
dukenukem:
Yes, I knew about proofs as well, but issue got very long, had to trim and miss a couple very recent news, leave them out for next week's.
18:29:00
dukenukem:
Cheers.
18:29:01
datahoarder:
(Eg. you can look up old monero donation transactions onto the explorer and see the decoded outputs)
18:31:39
datahoarder:
Yeah I understand that. I always highlight that exists whenever it gets mentioned :)
18:32:34
datahoarder:
Also- if anyone has any relevant public org you can submit viewkeys for auditing (or provide alternate proofs), ping me if so.
18:38:46
Guest28:
hi
18:39:06
Guest28:
test
18:39:19
Guest28:
testttttttttttttttttttt
18:45:29
Guest28:
test2
18:45:33
ArChLiNuXuSeR:
test3
18:51:38
ArChLiNuXuSeR:
^c4 hji
18:52:32
ArChLiNuXuSeR:
^c4 red text
18:52:44
Cindy:
what are you even doing
18:52:50
Cindy:
why are you joining 3 times under the same IP
18:53:34
testingcolortext:
I am trying to see weather or not colored text show's in my irc client "lchat" on "st"
18:53:58
Cindy:
well Guest28/ArChLiNuXuSeR/testingcolortext
18:54:02
Cindy:
this channel is not +c
18:54:06
Cindy:
so you can do colored text
18:55:18
Cindy:
like this
18:55:28
testingcolortext:
oh woww
18:55:42
testingcolortext:
ok the color only shows in web client not lchat
18:55:45
testingcolortext:
whatever
18:56:01
Cindy:
DataHoarder: how does the matrix bridge handle IRC colors
18:57:59
ArChLiNuXuSeR:
forget it. can you help me? i need to see a reddit post but i don't have reddit account. so in web reddit i keep getting "you've been blocked by network security to continue, log in to your reddit" but i don't have one. i just wanna see the post in r/PiNetwork titled "How to add PI to Metamask"
18:58:54
Cindy:
use old.reddit.com in tor
18:59:08
Cindy:
and if it shows you a white page, keep refreshing the tor circuit
19:41:23
dukenukem:
Asking the right questions!
20:48:28
nioc:
here is a red it post https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fz1s4tptldr7g1.jpeg
21:07:25
Cindy:
https://www.getmonero.org/community/merchants/
21:07:32
Cindy:
when will this be updated to include haveno lol
21:37:38
torir:matrix.org:
This is the first I've heard of this. Were they specifiically attacking monero.fail or was there another reason for the attack? > <Cindy> the node list was completely filled with random I2P nodes
21:37:56
Cindy:
i dunno
21:38:06
Cindy:
but they filled up the index with tons and tons of I2P nodes per minute
21:38:41
Cindy:
the list of I2P nodes ended up 60x bigger than it was before the attack, but i think they got cleaned up
21:38:54
torir:matrix.org:
Not nodes that were passing uptime checks then, just random I2P addresses?
21:38:57
torir:matrix.org:
I see.
21:39:11
Cindy:
they passed uptime checks for a bit
21:56:26
lza_menace:
yeah, in order to be added to the list they have to be checked. they'd all validate healthy once or twice and then drop off
21:56:51
lza_menace:
but had thousands of them added. it skewed the typical runtime of the checking scripts so i had to counteract some things
21:57:04
lza_menace:
it's never a dull day operating web services, even simple ones lol