19:10:12 articmine: There are also very significant scaling issues here with respect to.
19:10:13 articmine: 1) Turnstiles. The need to move the entire blockchain through the turnstile in a reasonable amount of time. The issue especially of the turnstile is being rushed and users competing to get first through the turnstile.
19:10:13 articmine: What I see here is the need for a significant surge capacity over a matter of a few months. [... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/-IKvr8wKeF82Q1dH ]
19:13:47 articmine: My point here is that a robust and fast growing peer to peer on chain adoption of Monero together with a very strong reserve surge capacity is a critical component of the defense.
19:15:24 articmine: Typo I meant BS not VS
20:25:40 boog900: @articmine: for 1, we can add special scaling for the turnstile if/when we code in the turnstile, there is no point planning our scaling for that now.
20:37:01 ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: 1. Txs expiring after 72hrs
20:37:01 ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: 2. 600mb txpool default size limit
20:37:25 ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: These are the problems for turnstile, not scaling imo
20:39:32 ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Because you can increase the txpool size to infinity, but txs will still expire if there are too many submissions.
20:39:32 ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: fun fact (i think): if you flush_txpool, you can reset the tx seen time, and extend the72hrs. I dont think this is supposed to happen :P
21:07:06 gingeropolous: ugh. i think i've blissfully forgotten that there's probably a turnstile in our future
21:22:19 kayabanerve:matrix.org: CARROT attempts a PQ recoverable framework so all that's necessary is moving to a post-CARROT wallet, not moving across the PQ barrier itself.
21:22:43 kayabanerve:matrix.org: If done successfully, it'll give _years_ of time for the turnover
21:23:36 kayabanerve:matrix.org: Even if it culminates in one final explicit time period before invalidation of historical outputs
21:28:48 kayabanerve:matrix.org: The sooner we prepare today, the less of a rush we'll be in tomorrow
21:29:09 kayabanerve:matrix.org: Fund PQ research now
21:29:20 kayabanerve:matrix.org: Spend $10m on several research teams
21:29:45 kayabanerve:matrix.org: *or a reasonable amount to qualified individuals like people @ CS