02:54:36
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Monero indirectly mentionned.
02:54:45
ravfx:xmr.mx:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/xmr.mx/EMnLiltSVPqslkUbhavgFOGv.png (clipboard.png)
13:05:41
basses:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/hMFbQkKdbrKwtbWtCnweBmap.png (clipboard.png)
13:11:35
BlueyHealer:
are such phones eveb possible to remove the spyware from
13:18:25
monerobull:matrix.org:
what do we think of cardanos midnight
13:21:10
monerobull:matrix.org:
If it ISN'T backdoored and data can only be read when its given up voluntarily then it should legally be treated just the same
14:43:16
ocean:nope.chat:
what is its purpose?
14:43:38
ocean:nope.chat:
re > <@monerobull:matrix.org> what do we think of cardanos midnight
14:47:46
monerobull:matrix.org:
@ocean:nope.chat: supposedly privacy and smart contracts
14:59:59
ocean:nope.chat:
hmm
15:03:14
BlueyHealer:
basses<basses:matrix.org> no, nothing is encrypted <- what "nothing" are you talking about? Closest I can think of are phones that can only call/sms. But this is clearly not the case here, as an external, Internet-connected app was installed. I was talking about the telemetry such phones have - what "unencrypted" comes at play here?..
15:03:34
BlueyHealer:
...and what is the point of smart contracts except hype?
15:06:36
BlueyHealer:
or is it the joke that you're attempting opsec on such a phone?
17:24:05
monerobull:matrix.org:
https://commerce.jolla.com/products/jolla-phone-preorder
17:24:27
monerobull:matrix.org:
Looks interesting
17:35:50
nioc:
but does it do AI?
17:36:00
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Imo there there just worth the of a flagship
17:36:02
ravfx:xmr.mx:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/xmr.mx/yzxULBkjyftqZFoOBkOmjJjh.png (clipboard.png)
17:36:46
nioc:
as if it was necessary >> ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
17:37:23
nioc:
not in murica
17:37:27
ravfx:xmr.mx:
^ That a Linux evengilist btw.
17:37:27
ravfx:xmr.mx:
And yeah, there is a reason.
17:37:27
ravfx:xmr.mx:
I just want a Motorola that have a killswitch!
17:37:35
ravfx:xmr.mx:
For like the price of what I pay for motorolas (150$)
17:37:49
gan:skhron.org:
@ravfx:xmr.mx: No, he's not, he's just a fraud
17:37:58
ravfx:xmr.mx:
@gan:skhron.org: He just anoying lol
17:38:05
nioc:
solder on a toggle switch
17:38:15
gan:skhron.org:
it's probably just quirky for him to use Linux
17:38:21
gan:skhron.org:
assuming he's even using it
17:38:53
ravfx:xmr.mx:
@gan:skhron.org: He seam to be using it yeah
17:38:53
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Or maybe he fake it and just do it for the view you think?
17:40:54
ravfx:xmr.mx:
He does still have an Nvidia graphic card 😂
17:41:21
gan:skhron.org:
Some friend sent me a video from SOG before, given what he talks about the supposed pros of Linux, he doesn't take the same approach to anything else as I've seen, that's usually a sign of fraudness
17:44:04
ravfx:xmr.mx:
nioc: probably going to be easier to just get a faraday phone holder or something. Not really into ungluing phones
17:44:36
gan:skhron.org:
@ravfx:xmr.mx: I doubt that being a Linux user generates anything but a presentation of being more knowledgeable about bucket of bolts, that are computers, effectively street cred - probably
17:48:30
BlueyHealer:
My parents are Linux users, they are not knowledgeable on computers at all. Shows how far Linux went)
17:49:39
ravfx:xmr.mx:
I'm done suporting everyone for free.
17:49:40
ravfx:xmr.mx:
I done installing Linux on other people computers. If they want Linux they get it themself and maintain it themself
17:50:31
ravfx:xmr.mx:
I don't recommand distribution anymore except exception (same reason, if I do they ask for support)
17:51:08
ravfx:xmr.mx:
I just say I use Gentoo. Be my guess, try it if you want.
17:53:52
BlueyHealer:
I get the position but I find that point of view detrimental for Linux. Not everyone is a techie. I need help with various things too. I'll be serving people way more often and on way more mundane matters when I get a husband and children to cater to.
17:54:46
gan:skhron.org:
> "Not everyone is a techie"
17:54:46
gan:skhron.org:
I find this position to be detrimental to the human mind
17:55:47
ravfx:xmr.mx:
BlueyHealer: Linux is not ready to be used by "non techie" (and wont ever be).
17:55:47
ravfx:xmr.mx:
It's better for Linux when new people have brain and can get kick the can themself. At least that way they can fill and commant on bug report.
17:56:19
BlueyHealer:
depends on what task. Mom mostly uses the browser and file manager. Dad mostly does the same plus gaming.
17:56:45
ravfx:xmr.mx:
BlueyHealer: Sure yeah, it work. But when something pop you have to intervein
17:56:55
ravfx:xmr.mx:
And they won't fill bug report and submit code
17:57:01
BlueyHealer:
But yeah, people should indeed try to get basic competency with things.
17:57:22
gan:skhron.org:
We all have went thru the journey of seeking knowledge about things, nobody is just a techie from zero, but some people fundamentally refuse to do it, that's plainly-speaking childish behavior in my vieš, I doubt that any Linux software could account about self-learned helplessness
17:57:25
gan:skhron.org:
view*
17:57:27
BlueyHealer:
Bug report and submit code? I don't think I can do it either, lol
17:57:45
ravfx:xmr.mx:
BlueyHealer: At least you can "fix it yourself", I assume
17:57:46
BlueyHealer:
Refusing to learn is another thing. When people try and fail is another.
17:57:49
ravfx:xmr.mx:
so you don't want other people time
17:58:09
gan:skhron.org:
BlueyHealer: Reading is usually the most basic requirement, and most people usually fail at it
17:58:33
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Still did not got aroung checking why Linux 6.18.0 crash wayland if I play HEVC video... might do that tonight 😂
17:59:33
BlueyHealer:
gan, there's also an issue that some help is not available in your language. I am lucky to be bilingual, but my family is not.
18:00:50
BlueyHealer:
I genuinely like helping mom because I know she tries to understand and can listen.
18:00:56
gan:skhron.org:
English is pretty much a requirement operating with a computer
18:04:47
BlueyHealer:
Maybe, but the fact is - a lot of people don't know a second language. It can genuinely be hard.
18:06:26
gan:skhron.org:
I think both are axioms, the latter is only fixable by education
18:06:50
gan:skhron.org:
personally as I've said before, I've studied English and some other languages on my own
18:08:06
BlueyHealer:
You might just be assuming everyone is like you.
18:08:56
BlueyHealer:
My mom is also trying to learn English - but this is hard when your only tutor is your kid who knows the language but has zero idea how to teach.
18:09:11
gan:skhron.org:
I assume a basic ability to think and retain information, factually-speaking I'm worse off than most people
18:09:57
gan:skhron.org:
I have both Dysgraphia and Dyslexia and yet I'm able to handle it almost fine
18:11:16
gan:skhron.org:
BlueyHealer: I had no tutors by the way
18:11:58
ravfx:xmr.mx:
I learned English because computer and Internet. I was really bad at it at school but once english was actually needed it changed everything (i think in english now too)
18:11:59
nioc:
<gan:skhron.org> but some people fundamentally refuse to do it, that's plainly-speaking childish behavior in my vieš <<>> seems like anti childlike behavior to me :)
18:13:06
nioc:
yes, useful = motivation
18:13:21
nioc:
it's how I found crypto
18:14:41
gan:skhron.org:
"useful = motivation", an interesting mindset, perhaps it'd worth to not retain information, be it history of one's nation, maybe culture
18:15:12
gan:skhron.org:
I'm not disallowing people to be simpletons personally, just speaking my own mind
18:16:25
gan:skhron.org:
@ravfx:xmr.mx: I'm probably fucked in the head to be honest, I don't really think in words
18:16:52
nioc:
useful comment was in response to ravfx's
18:18:03
gan:skhron.org:
nioc: huh, but you quoted me?
18:18:39
BlueyHealer:
I feel like there's a bit of superiority feelings there. I just don't like such an attitude.
18:19:01
nioc:
sorry for the confusion, I should have quoted for the next line as well
18:19:12
BlueyHealer:
Being fed up with requests for help can indeed be frustrating, but it is kind of a different thing.
18:20:52
gan:skhron.org:
BlueyHealer: Being intelligent is indeed superior than being unintelligent, I don't see an issue with stating the obvious
18:22:44
gan:skhron.org:
Personally, I doubt that I'm intelligent
18:23:30
plowsof:
comparison is the thief of joy :D
18:24:10
BlueyHealer:
I don't think anyone disagrees, and you seem to be missing the point. I just think that displaying an ego makes one look bad.
18:25:01
gan:skhron.org:
Depends on the ego and what's being displayed
18:25:07
BlueyHealer:
And I believe "I think this thing I'm good at is easy so everyone who isn't good like me is cringe" is a part of it.
18:26:09
gan:skhron.org:
I haven't said that anyone's cringe, so I just fundamentally do not care about untechnicals
18:28:21
gan:skhron.org:
There's indeed a basic level of knowledge that's expected from people, imagine the world if people would assert that reading isn't for them and refuse to learn how to read?
18:28:21
BlueyHealer:
even just the phrasing has those vibes
18:28:41
BlueyHealer:
it is as if you're referring to, like, alcoholics XD
18:29:28
BlueyHealer:
Basic - yes. You may have a different understanding of "basic" than other people. Like, some people include "using the terminal" in "basic")
18:31:13
gan:skhron.org:
I'd assume that a person who knows how to speak their own language to understand something that is probably 10 times easier?
18:38:16
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Most use dont have to touch a terminal.
18:38:24
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Users*
18:39:04
ravfx:xmr.mx:
So in other term it could be to ask people to do more work for the same result
18:47:32
ravfx:xmr.mx:
This week on my Linux.
18:47:32
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Ark (the kde file archiver) decided that the proper behaviour for drag and dropping file is to crash.
18:47:32
ravfx:xmr.mx:
I can't play hevc in hardware anymore.[... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/xuzA79AKbDBOYXNl ]
18:49:02
ravfx:xmr.mx:
So now I unrar stuff with the cli and I run with older kernel until someone get around fixing that!
18:57:02
BlueyHealer:
<ravfx:xmr.mx> Most use dont have to touch a terminal. <- YES. My parents indeed do not.
19:04:13
ravfx:xmr.mx:
BlueyHealer: You do it form them
19:04:42
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Or they have automatic updates and nothing broke (knock on wood)
19:04:45
BlueyHealer:
Very rarely, to be fair.
19:05:06
BlueyHealer:
And mostly for things that could be done in a GUI as well, just more convenient in a terminal.
19:05:45
BlueyHealer:
Also, "or"? Updates can be done in a GUI manager just fine.
19:07:57
basses:matrix.org:
> or is it the joke that you're attempting opsec on such a phone?
19:07:58
basses:matrix.org:
yes
19:08:47
basses:matrix.org:
U.S made, why is it also cheap? > <@ravfx:xmr.mx> I just want a Motorola that have a killswitch!
19:09:59
basses:matrix.org:
even zorin? > <@ravfx:xmr.mx> I don't recommand distribution anymore except exception (same reason, if I do they ask for support)
19:10:23
321bob321:
Zoltan
19:10:51
BlueyHealer:
basses, ah, lol, I was slow XD\
19:11:29
BlueyHealer:
TBH I've never seen anyone IRL use Zorin. The people I see are usually on Mint or Ubuntu, with one classmate running Arch.
19:12:31
BlueyHealer:
unrelated but it's pretty funny to have seen organizations operate on Windows 7 when 10 was nearing EOL
19:13:33
ravfx:xmr.mx:
@basses:matrix.org: I have no time to support other people OS
19:13:33
ravfx:xmr.mx:
I don't evengilise anymore. If someone want to try Linux, he will try Linux and test by himself and taste the real experience and decide if it's for him or no.
19:14:05
ravfx:xmr.mx:
The reason we have many many distribution and many packagage manager is the reason Linux desktop won't even become mainsteam
19:14:11
ravfx:xmr.mx:
There is no QA and all the work is diluted all over
19:14:15
basses:matrix.org:
@ravfx:xmr.mx: what is the most frequent issue they ran into?
19:14:19
BlueyHealer:
I would want to help/guide at least at first.
19:14:29
basses:matrix.org:
I mean people dont install lot of stuff on their PCs
19:14:38
basses:matrix.org:
old people
19:14:53
ravfx:xmr.mx:
@basses:matrix.org: It's variable, I did mention my last issue in the buffer
19:14:53
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Ark decided to crash on drag and drop
19:14:53
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Can't play HEVC anymore (booting older kernel "fixed" it
19:15:00
BlueyHealer:
My parents are old, yeah. Dad installs quite a few things but Valve did their magic.
19:15:54
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Valve did a good job yeah.
19:15:55
ravfx:xmr.mx:
That need to milk that juicy extra 30% on everything sold on the store and have DRM superiority
19:16:14
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Money is always the reason.
19:16:22
basses:matrix.org:
@ravfx:xmr.mx: any store does that
19:16:34
BlueyHealer:
Booting older kernel fixed it? I had a similarly-"solved" issue with wi-fi once, but it was fixed the next kernel version (which was shipped unusually fast, maybe because of this).
19:16:38
ravfx:xmr.mx:
@basses:matrix.org: name one on Linux
19:17:14
BlueyHealer:
ravfx, I'm more pissed at how they treated my game. But as much as I dislike a lot of things Valve does, can't help but admit that it helped a lot with mainstream adoption.
19:17:34
basses:matrix.org:
@ravfx:xmr.mx: there isn't a need to have one
19:17:35
ravfx:xmr.mx:
BlueyHealer: yeah, it broke after I rebooted on new kernel so deduced the bug was in the kernel
19:17:39
gan:skhron.org:
I don't get the idea of convenience, empirically it's plainly faster to do some actions in GUI/TUI compared to supplying arguments to a binary, but flexibility of a command line can't really be matched in most cases, assuming there's any flexibility to be had > <BlueyHealer> And mostly for things that could be done in a GUI as well, just more convenient in a terminal.
19:17:44
basses:matrix.org:
flathub I think will support paying for apps
19:17:58
basses:matrix.org:
Idk if they will get a cut
19:18:09
ravfx:xmr.mx:
@basses:matrix.org: Will...
19:18:09
ravfx:xmr.mx:
ok, that make the argument for all store take 30% cut
19:18:30
ravfx:xmr.mx:
I think Valve Corporation's Steam is the only one (On Linux) so far
19:18:47
basses:matrix.org:
zorin is meant for boomers > <BlueyHealer> TBH I've never seen anyone IRL use Zorin. The people I see are usually on Mint or Ubuntu, with one classmate running Arch.
19:18:49
BlueyHealer:
but flexibility of a command line can't really be matched in most cases <- unless you're frequently doing this, you'd need to relearn how to use it every time.
19:19:19
BlueyHealer:
<basses:matrix.org> flathub I think will support paying for apps <- Are they going to support anonymous/pseudonymous payment methods?
19:19:33
basses:matrix.org:
idk, probably not?
19:20:06
ravfx:xmr.mx:
It depend of the commands.
19:20:06
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Lot of thing just work better in cli..
19:20:06
ravfx:xmr.mx:
For example if I want to search a File, I can use Plasma's Dolphin (it barely work to find file). or I can use the "find" or "locate" command (they work the same since like 2 decades or something)
19:20:18
gan:skhron.org:
BlueyHealer: I don't need to relearn anything, even after years, and a man page is usually always available?
19:21:16
BlueyHealer:
ravfx, it does! I do prefer cli for a lot of things. But it might be hard to remember commands, or relook them up when they're needed.
19:21:24
basses:matrix.org:
@ravfx:xmr.mx: I thought you were using the latest and coolest cli rust tools
19:21:34
ravfx:xmr.mx:
viva la "history" command!
19:21:40
basses:matrix.org:
fd
19:22:01
gan:skhron.org:
You probably know people who could remember all the skills in Dota 2 even after not playing for years, and how much more difficult it is to remember a set of commands? 🧌
19:22:26
BlueyHealer:
I feel weird arguing about that since I undeed do find this more convenient oftentimes. But, for example, I do find it more convenient to launch a GUI text editor instead of using Nano.
19:22:50
gan:skhron.org:
Not to mention the ability to just script the stuff
19:23:11
BlueyHealer:
gan, Dota is something they were *passionate* about. Not everyone would devote the same attention to something they just need to get the job done.
19:23:31
BlueyHealer:
gan, yeah, I have quite a few things (like converting flac to mp3) aliased
19:23:34
ravfx:xmr.mx:
I depend of the context. if I'm on GUI I would prefer to use a GUI text editor.
19:23:34
ravfx:xmr.mx:
But if I'm configuring shit or just in a terminal, and need to see few files right there, I will use "cat" or "nano" depending of what I want
19:24:09
ravfx:xmr.mx:
if I need to search file I will definitively open a terminal because searching from GUI is garbage tier
19:24:52
ravfx:xmr.mx:
I was using Ark to unpack shit but now I have to open a terminal for that...
19:24:52
ravfx:xmr.mx:
The command unrar, unzip, etc, etc did not change for years
19:25:24
ravfx:xmr.mx:
I think I use the same syntax to do unpack on DOS
19:25:29
BlueyHealer:
Yeah, if it's about some config edits - indeed nano is more convenient.
19:25:40
BlueyHealer:
and yes hard agree on searching
19:26:32
gan:skhron.org:
> <BlueyHealer> gan, Dota is something they were *passionate* about. Not everyone would devote the same attention to something they just need to get the job done.
19:26:32
gan:skhron.org:
Falls on the theoretical question - "imagine the world if people would assert that reading isn't for them and refuse to learn how to read?", I believe that people should be aware how to read a man page if that'll be needed for them at all, the technical knowledge should be a fundamental thing in our day
19:26:36
BlueyHealer:
I just rarely need to search anything like that and so does mom, everything is just in expected folders. So I doubt mom would bother remembering the syntax of the command just for the few occasions.
19:27:14
BlueyHealer:
Why not just use an easier to use gui if it works, though?
19:28:34
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Yeah, ideally.
19:28:34
ravfx:xmr.mx:
except its unreliable and often just break in random way (no QA on GUI).
19:28:34
ravfx:xmr.mx:
while cli just always work and is very reliable (that's where the QA go... considering it's a Server OS and you manage that from cli normally)
19:29:05
gan:skhron.org:
BlueyHealer: Not all use-cases warrant a separate GUI program, but sure, if it'd be overwhelmingly faster then there's a case for such program
19:29:12
ravfx:xmr.mx:
cli shit also depend of a crapton less stuff
19:29:32
ravfx:xmr.mx:
so stuff that break because of dependency, ABI change and package people not doing his job, a lot more rare
19:30:05
gan:skhron.org:
I assume, this is the case because of more easier mouse use? > <BlueyHealer> I feel weird arguing about that since I undeed do find this more convenient oftentimes. But, for example, I do find it more convenient to launch a GUI text editor instead of using Nano.
19:30:49
basses:matrix.org:
@ravfx:xmr.mx: u tried COSMIC?
19:31:32
ravfx:xmr.mx:
@basses:matrix.org: I don't have time to waste to relearn how to use my desktop for every new thing. I'm not in my 20's anymore
19:32:38
gan:skhron.org:
@ravfx:xmr.mx: I love Qt framework updates
19:32:44
BlueyHealer:
I am in my 20s and I abandoned KDE after barely even trying because it needed a lot more tweaking to work "fine" than XFCE
19:32:57
ravfx:xmr.mx:
@gan:skhron.org: YEah, at least the application stay somewhat consistant since plasma 5
19:33:21
ravfx:xmr.mx:
hope they don't do another stupid surprise event (like KDE3->KDE4 or Gnome2->gnome3)
19:34:07
ravfx:xmr.mx:
But if you install a fresh plasma6 you notice they like to waste real screen estate... stupidity again...
19:34:26
ravfx:xmr.mx:
why the tastbar have to "hover" instead of sitting at the bottom of the screen
19:34:44
basses:matrix.org:
just cosmic files > <@ravfx:xmr.mx> I don't have time to waste to relearn how to use my desktop for every new thing. I'm not in my 20's anymore
19:35:02
basses:matrix.org:
their file explorer
19:35:05
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Now you have permanently wasted pixel! (until the user decide to lowerit down)
19:35:20
ravfx:xmr.mx:
@basses:matrix.org: I like consistency instead of cristmas tree effect
19:35:40
basses:matrix.org:
@ravfx:xmr.mx: GNOME is perfect for u
19:35:49
ravfx:xmr.mx:
@basses:matrix.org: QT actually, way better
19:36:03
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Think is, to not have the christmas tree efect, you must use ONLY one of these
19:36:05
BlueyHealer:
<ravfx:xmr.mx> why the tastbar have to "hover" instead of sitting at the bottom of the screen <- YES
19:36:14
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Feather wallet use QT so it does look good!
19:36:39
basses:matrix.org:
@ravfx:xmr.mx: tried https://github.com/sharkdp/fd ?
19:36:46
BlueyHealer:
I also used to prefer a wider taskbar, switched it to such on new installs, but now just don't understand that anymore.
19:36:57
gan:skhron.org:
@ravfx:xmr.mx: damn, that reminds me that I should write a wallet program for sxmo
19:37:02
ravfx:xmr.mx:
@basses:matrix.org: why would i?
19:37:02
ravfx:xmr.mx:
I know how to use find command
19:37:24
basses:matrix.org:
@ravfx:xmr.mx: The command name is 50% shorter than find
19:37:38
basses:matrix.org:
https://github.com/sharkdp/fd?tab=readme-ov-file#features
19:37:47
ravfx:xmr.mx:
I know how to use find command, why should a relearn command that does the same thing
19:37:47
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Also you know the command "alias" ?
19:37:56
BlueyHealer:
Also I tried Gnome for a bit and was just puzzled/frustrated. The most baffling thing was the default menu that took the entire screen but the icons were SO BIG
19:37:59
gan:skhron.org:
@ravfx:xmr.mx: well, fd is probably faster than coreutils' one
19:38:07
BlueyHealer:
That's something I'd have on a mobile, wtf?
19:38:16
ravfx:xmr.mx:
@gan:skhron.org: maybe
19:40:14
basses:matrix.org:
@ravfx:xmr.mx: you might find something better, you can test it, if you feel like you keep using this command that the one you used to use, you can switch to it.
19:40:32
basses:matrix.org:
than the one you*
20:05:43
basses:matrix.org:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srw4ZB8TC2I
20:05:49
basses:matrix.org:
> Caligra a new company is trying to sell a modernized Amiga Commodore 64 Linux based computer
20:31:09
ravfx:xmr.mx:
hmm, obviously not a commodore 64 if it's going to be shipped with such a bloated OS 😂
20:31:47
BlueyHealer:
Don't worry, the demoscene would quickly get it a "proper" OS
20:33:59
ravfx:xmr.mx:
oh lol, just began the video
20:35:00
BlueyHealer:
lost the link when closing the client and only now realizing that
20:36:15
ravfx:xmr.mx:
lol non imo.
20:36:15
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Just the keyboard want me to jump a bridge
20:36:15
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Look like it's to use "Linux" as a way to oversell a thing
20:36:50
BlueyHealer:
What is the link again? Forgot even the company name.
20:36:56
ravfx:xmr.mx:
https://caligra.com/c100
20:37:08
BlueyHealer:
Ah thanks
20:37:21
ravfx:xmr.mx:
2k for a mobile CPU and 96GB ram & 1TB storage
20:37:32
ravfx:xmr.mx:
no mention of GPU in the basic specs so I assume it's the iGPU
20:37:39
BlueyHealer:
$2000 wtf
20:38:09
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Told you, just to sell on the Linux hype (probably because of the evengilist making noise on Youtube).
20:38:34
basses:matrix.org:
isn't that similar to what you can get with framework?
20:38:39
basses:matrix.org:
even close to its price
20:38:42
BlueyHealer:
Also I've heard of a project to "resurrect" ZX Spectrum (a way more popular computer here, from what I understand), which is much closer to the real deal.
20:38:55
ravfx:xmr.mx:
@basses:matrix.org: a Framework also have a screen
20:38:58
ravfx:xmr.mx:
and standarized parts
20:39:06
BlueyHealer:
basses, I think at least basic Frameworks are cheaper.
20:41:22
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Bring the laptop inconvenients to the desktop!
20:41:22
ravfx:xmr.mx:
for 2K
20:41:22
ravfx:xmr.mx:
I want to at least see the inside on the first page, to see how much someone buying that is getting scammed
20:41:40
basses:matrix.org:
macbooks are the best
20:41:59
basses:matrix.org:
sad to see how impossible it is to repair
20:41:59
ravfx:xmr.mx:
that's technically "desktop" computer as your supposed to put a screen on it
20:42:46
ravfx:xmr.mx:
so I compare it to other desktop...
20:42:47
ravfx:xmr.mx:
I can get computer with similar specs for like 400$
20:42:47
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Excluding keyboard, on a desktop I do get to at least choose the keyboard I want
20:42:55
ravfx:xmr.mx:
still far from 2K
20:43:22
ravfx:xmr.mx:
They don't show the inside on the first page, that does not look good.
20:43:55
nioc:
one day I will try to turn on my commodore 64
20:45:13
ravfx:xmr.mx:
I so don't get it with there Linux computer in 2025
20:45:13
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Just get something full AMD... It's not that hard
20:45:39
ravfx:xmr.mx:
a 1400 Linux tax is soo funny
20:46:26
ravfx:xmr.mx:
nioc: I have to rebuild my 486 eventually.
20:46:26
ravfx:xmr.mx:
I got all the part to make the V2. Just have to replace two mosfet first
20:46:52
basses:matrix.org:
Man Charged for Wiping Phone Before CBP Could Search It
20:46:53
basses:matrix.org:
https://archive.ph/IeLKL
20:46:53
basses:matrix.org:
> The exact circumstances around the search are not known. But activist Samuel Tunick is charged with deleting data from a Google Pixel before CBP’s could search it.
20:47:27
basses:matrix.org:
I wonder what OS he was using
20:47:58
basses:matrix.org:
@ravfx:xmr.mx: some network cards hate linux
20:48:04
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Good question, if you have time you can wipe any android afaik
20:48:13
ravfx:xmr.mx:
choose full reset and let the thing do its thing
20:48:13
BlueyHealer:
<basses:matrix.org> macbooks are the best <- how can they be the best when they have so little RAM and it's not even expandable?
20:48:34
basses:matrix.org:
@ravfx:xmr.mx: not as secure as the implementation of that well known OS
20:48:46
ravfx:xmr.mx:
@basses:matrix.org: Ben a very long time I did not get one of theses..
20:48:46
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Ideally you don't take things that are too exotics
20:48:56
BlueyHealer:
<ravfx:xmr.mx> a 1400 Linux tax is soo funny <- at least with Framework you see what the tax is for
20:49:18
ravfx:xmr.mx:
BlueyHealer: yeah, you get standarized parts
20:49:27
basses:matrix.org:
@ravfx:xmr.mx: "works for me"
20:49:39
ravfx:xmr.mx:
but it's less expensive than this C100 considering a framework is a full laptop
20:50:03
basses:matrix.org:
@ravfx:xmr.mx: you probably didn't test it on all manufacturers
20:50:14
BlueyHealer:
Also with the phone wiping... Yikes, not sure I'd have the balls to wipe a phone while under investigation. Maybe if the data there is somehow more valuable than my life lol
20:50:25
basses:matrix.org:
> macbooks are the best <- how can they be the best when they have so little RAM and it's not even expandable?
20:50:25
basses:matrix.org:
build quality
20:50:38
basses:matrix.org:
also great chip
20:50:48
ravfx:xmr.mx:
@basses:matrix.org: yeah, they keep the know flaws for many generations
20:51:18
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Remember that 50v line leaking in the CPU vrm line because there side by side in a cable... I think they fixed that after like 4-5 generation
20:51:45
ravfx:xmr.mx:
I remember there butterfly keyboard
20:52:10
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Self destructing thunderbolt lines
20:52:41
ravfx:xmr.mx:
self destructing screen cable (it was too short, for 2 generation)
20:52:53
ravfx:xmr.mx:
the list can go infinite
20:52:54
BlueyHealer:
oh yeah, that!
20:52:55
basses:matrix.org:
old macbooks from 2013 still boot fine
20:53:17
basses:matrix.org:
you can even run distros on it
20:53:28
BlueyHealer:
I also heard about a cable being effectively sanded by the fan somehow
20:53:31
ravfx:xmr.mx:
My last macbook self destructed (Apple did not use proper cooling for the video chip)
20:53:43
basses:matrix.org:
you can abuse that machine and you will know that it will turn the next time anytime
20:54:07
ravfx:xmr.mx:
It's like the first macbook air heatsink, on where the heatsink float about 0.5 mm over the CPU die and use air as thermal paste
20:54:08
basses:matrix.org:
@ravfx:xmr.mx: if issue on their side, they should've gave replacement for free
20:54:22
BlueyHealer:
basses, I assumed the main point in getting a Macbook were the M chips, and those are also getting reversed. With a big delay, but it's absolutely amazing it's done at all!
20:54:29
basses:matrix.org:
unless you mean a design issue
20:54:35
ravfx:xmr.mx:
@basses:matrix.org: they eventually do after many many complain and suing
20:54:49
ravfx:xmr.mx:
normally they try to pass that on the user "You are using it wrong"
20:55:06
basses:matrix.org:
@ravfx:xmr.mx: yeah, same like they done with phones
20:55:09
BlueyHealer:
<basses:matrix.org> unless you mean a design issue <- sure sounds like one
20:56:38
basses:matrix.org:
like siri lawsuit
20:58:13
basses:matrix.org:
but only people living in america can claim it
20:58:26
ravfx:xmr.mx:
It's like that most of the time sadly
20:58:54
BlueyHealer:
Don't mass lawsuits also offer, like, pennies?
20:59:15
BlueyHealer:
I just know the Facebook one wasn't even worth claiming.
20:59:33
basses:matrix.org:
the siri one was $95
20:59:50
basses:matrix.org:
to each affected individual in the lawsuit
21:00:18
BlueyHealer:
Relatively hefty at least, but still laughable at scale indeed
21:00:21
basses:matrix.org:
I think google also did same for pixel 6
21:00:47
BlueyHealer:
I also think there were some catches in how that money could be claimed
21:01:27
basses:matrix.org:
they will probably not make it that easy
21:02:05
basses:matrix.org:
https://mistral.ai/news/devstral-2-vibe-cli
21:02:28
BlueyHealer:
I recall there being some hoops to jump through if you were to claim it as cash. Also Graphene users had to flash stock to see if they are eligible, iirc.
21:02:53
BlueyHealer:
.ai in domain is such an easy tell on what links to never click))
21:04:19
basses:matrix.org:
it is literally AI related
21:06:57
BlueyHealer:
that's the point