00:04:02
sashimi.:matrix.org:
more likely scenario, i get the spirobel/aaron_swartz treatment, or just get bored with it and move on with life
00:04:02
sashimi.:matrix.org:
doug would still be doing his own thing, other people would still be doing their own thing
00:04:02
sashimi.:matrix.org:
but like, not really anything that could actually go mainstream p2p adoption
00:04:02
sashimi.:matrix.org:
so it'll stay a niche, bunch of nerds trading it for their drugs or whatever the fuck, getting busted, funds sized
00:04:03
sashimi.:matrix.org:
most of the supply will end up centralized in the hands of glowies (multiple attack vectors in play)[... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/_b_j6coKUnhBbEJy ]
00:09:56
oronuevo:nope.chat:
@09sashimi.:matrix.org: Talking about Spirobel, I think his blog about Monero/browser integration is very good. Where would Eth be today without metamask and other browser wallets? Idk
00:10:39
oronuevo:nope.chat:
But I dont agree it will stay niche. I think it has several paths to mass adoption
00:11:00
sashimi.:matrix.org:
havent seen that one but agree that having shits working in a browser is next level UX for the masses
00:11:00
sashimi.:matrix.org:
issue is the attack vectors on those browser extensions and frontends or whatever
00:11:24
oronuevo:nope.chat:
But I think too much effort is wasted with software that has "p2p" and trustless as a foundation
00:11:31
oronuevo:nope.chat:
Not everything can be trustless, imo
00:15:24
sashimi.:matrix.org:
i mean that's fair
00:15:24
sashimi.:matrix.org:
shopinbit a good example of that imo
00:15:24
sashimi.:matrix.org:
but is not something to be considered "long term", there's always something, whether it's regulation on those centralized entities, or data breaches in some other cases
00:15:24
sashimi.:matrix.org:
so while the tech might not be here yet for those specific applications, i still think is worth aiming torward that goal regardless
00:28:31
sashimi.:matrix.org:
ohboy lol
00:52:11
gzx:metropolis.nexus:
what is the better foundation, if "p2p" ain't it?
00:57:33
sashimi.:matrix.org:
@oronuevo:nope.chat: ^ feel free to expand more on that, as am more similar to monerobull's opinion on the matter
00:57:33
sashimi.:matrix.org:
"decentralisation maxi is against hosting centralised services, shocker"
01:02:10
gzx:metropolis.nexus:
> it'll stay a niche, bunch of nerds trading it
01:02:11
gzx:metropolis.nexus:
Very little tech ever escapes this realm of utility, no? Why viewed as a negative?
01:03:54
sashimi.:matrix.org:
more adoption on that means more options for users too x)
01:03:54
sashimi.:matrix.org:
like, if more stores accepted it natively, if more this and that, if more users then it would improve the overall UX for existing users too imo
01:03:59
hardhatter:
Having a functioning currency that’s resistant to, censorship, manipulation, network takeover, and DoS attacks is just one piece of the puzzle
01:05:55
nioc:
https://x.com/monero_merchant/status/1991093686822711465
01:06:36
nioc:
https://moneromerchant.com/
01:06:54
sashimi.:matrix.org:
nioc: for hardware somehow i still trust more buying from a legit retail store, too tinfoil hardware hasnt been tempered with on the p2p side of things there
01:06:58
hardhatter:
You also actually need people who aren’t hell bent on dominating the general population to produce essential products and sell them
01:07:51
hardhatter:
And you need the average person to be more or less self sufficient and not heavily dependent on the market to thrive
01:08:26
nioc:
did you say tinfoil? https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1365/2497/files/redcat_large.jpg?v=1522243551
01:08:28
sashimi.:matrix.org:
nioc: nvm, was the point of sale thing, dont mind me, thought was monerica with people selling hardware, just missread
01:09:02
nioc:
this is a new thing bwing worked on by monerokon people
01:20:31
sashimi.:matrix.org:
@03hardhatter: like yea i agree tbh, at the end of the day, monero is literally just a tool, that's not the whole picture, the ecosystem around it is tho
01:20:31
sashimi.:matrix.org:
but then we also get into the problem as was mentioned earlier today, that there is too many side projects with things that cant keep being maintained and so on
01:20:31
sashimi.:matrix.org:
so while decentralization is the way imo, there still needs to be a way to have something like a "one stop shop" type thing, user friendly, works for most usecases and so on
01:20:31
sashimi.:matrix.org:
without doing the mistake of ethereum either trying to be a swiss army knife thing being just too bloated
01:57:01
stutzman:matrix.org:
Ray Dalio was in #monero-markets > <@14testtank:matrix.org> Wasn’t there a rumor the ray dalio was looking into XMR?
01:57:27
stutzman:matrix.org:
He was posting there a year ago
01:58:22
sashimi.:matrix.org:
saw a reddit post about it like a year ago, who gives a fuck lol
01:58:22
sashimi.:matrix.org:
elon musk next?
01:58:36
sashimi.:matrix.org:
mofo can speak for himself tbh
01:58:58
sashimi.:matrix.org:
dont need random fanboys being all like "oh that celebrity dude gonna do the numbers go up, trust"
01:58:59
sashimi.:matrix.org:
smh
01:59:10
stutzman:matrix.org:
sashimi, nothing will happen to you. I like you. I thought trannies were annoying, but it turns out they can be good people. Thank you for changing my perspective on life > <@09sashimi.:matrix.org> more likely scenario, i get the spirobel/aaron_swartz treatment, or just get bored with it and move on with life
01:59:18
sashimi.:matrix.org:
x)
01:59:23
sashimi.:matrix.org:
not trans, whatever lol
01:59:56
sashimi.:matrix.org:
reading monerochan news rn
02:00:00
sashimi.:matrix.org:
catching up on it
02:00:11
stutzman:matrix.org:
I'm not spirobel
02:00:23
sashimi.:matrix.org:
:hyperthonk:
02:00:32
stutzman:matrix.org:
It matters because these guys can control most of the liquidity and price > <@09sashimi.:matrix.org> saw a reddit post about it like a year ago, who gives a fuck lol
02:01:52
sashimi.:matrix.org:
thought glowies were the ones that controlling most of the liquidity (through dnm busts and shits) and price (through working with centralized exchanges fake numbers)
02:04:25
sashimi.:matrix.org:
that's why outreach is important, more people in monero
02:04:25
sashimi.:matrix.org:
more buyers to take that supply back from the glowies u know
02:04:29
sashimi.:matrix.org:
5headd
02:04:52
stutzman:matrix.org:
@09sashimi.:matrix.org: Glowies don't have the time
02:05:08
stutzman:matrix.org:
Ray Dalio was posting in #monero-markets, saying things like, "I think governments should replace Monero Core."
02:05:15
sashimi.:matrix.org:
well they sleeping rn, they working that 9-5, they off the clock
02:06:16
stutzman:matrix.org:
Don't get caught up in trying to track who is who. There are big psyops in these channels. It works best against people with autism > <@09sashimi.:matrix.org> :hyperthonk:
02:06:51
sashimi.:matrix.org:
oh am not trying to do that shit, just enjoying the trollings from literally whoever tbh
02:06:57
sashimi.:matrix.org:
dont matter who or what lol
02:07:04
stutzman:matrix.org:
If you have a keen eye, you would notice they post in every single timezone. There are multiple actors
02:08:19
sashimi.:matrix.org:
i mean true, then they can have shared accounts too or whatever
02:08:19
sashimi.:matrix.org:
or even some can sometimes work off the clock, its a thing too
02:08:51
stutzman:matrix.org:
Probably
02:10:09
stutzman:matrix.org:
Exact quote from Ray Dalio:
02:10:09
stutzman:matrix.org:
> I would rather trust a government institution overseeing CCS than relying on some random core members in Monero to manage it, for example. Officials in core can be elected democratically, which is a thinking long-term approach. Remember, governments are filled with people making decisions. Not robots.
02:10:55
stutzman:matrix.org:
This is why these people matter, even if you don't care about the price. They can affect projects drastically
02:11:33
sashimi.:matrix.org:
did he make a tweet about it? literally anyone can be like they satoshi even so...
02:11:50
sashimi.:matrix.org:
ill just take it as trolling for now
02:12:40
stutzman:matrix.org:
@09sashimi.:matrix.org: No, he made an alt account on Matrix and made mistakes, as we all do, allowing him to get doxxed
02:14:55
stutzman:matrix.org:
I remember he posted a screenshot of his work Slack to prove he actually works for a fund, and he literally had "alio" barely visible in the screenshot before deleting it. You don't have to believe me, as they'll eventually reveal themselves
02:15:35
sashimi.:matrix.org:
well yea, just tell him to tweet about it tbh, else just dont care lol
02:16:29
stutzman:matrix.org:
The obese man is back
02:16:36
sashimi.:matrix.org:
indeed
02:16:39
sashimi.:matrix.org:
working off the clock
02:16:48
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
@11stutzman:matrix.org: Never left
02:17:01
stutzman:matrix.org:
How do you have time to code?
02:17:30
stutzman:matrix.org:
Or test the stresnnet?
02:18:35
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
You mean, how do i have the time to entertain you?
02:19:18
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
You don't get this fat by going outside or leaving the desk
02:19:21
stutzman:matrix.org:
> <@12jeffro256> Personally, I don't think you should rush complex cryptographic upgrades on the L1 of a large cryptocurrency. "Move fast and break things" works sometimes, but not here. Peer review takes time and is needed, sorry. I promise no one is delaying FCMP++ to earn more Monero lol
02:19:22
stutzman:matrix.org:
Zcash implemented Orchard in less than 2 years. These are excuses. The perfect-daemon CCS is still not merged; y'all are slow
02:21:29
sashimi.:matrix.org:
need more people that could audit all that code tho
02:21:48
sashimi.:matrix.org:
not many of them, too many lazy fat fucks doing nothing
02:22:00
stutzman:matrix.org:
The audits are already done
02:22:00
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
@09sashimi.:matrix.org: speak for youself
02:22:14
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
@11stutzman:matrix.org: Carrot impl audit tbd
02:22:54
stutzman:matrix.org:
Main audits were finished a long time ago. What is holding back FCMP++ from releasing is jeffro not finishing carrot and jberman hoarding XMR
02:23:19
sashimi.:matrix.org:
@12ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: i provided work last month, next work will be in like 2-3 months from now or so probably
02:23:20
sashimi.:matrix.org:
in meantime, its selfcare time, making sure i still in perfect shape to perform well, which i guess is something that you have no idea about x)
02:23:48
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Definelty
02:25:37
stutzman:matrix.org:
longtermwhale on Matrix is the guy who is offering 20 BTC worth of XMR sell orders on eigenwallet. Whales are angry and are selling XMR for other coins. The market will let the coins with proper developers take over, and the slow ones will lose out in the long run
02:26:19
sashimi.:matrix.org:
like the talents that moved over to firo awhile ago, that's a shame...
02:27:02
stutzman:matrix.org:
For once, this is not ofrnxmr's fault
02:28:05
sashimi.:matrix.org:
[x] doubt
02:29:04
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
@09sashimi.:matrix.org: Sarang doesnt work for firo, he worked for cypherstack
02:29:28
stutzman:matrix.org:
@09sashimi.:matrix.org: Not only that, but Monero losing interest from whales who fund the CCS will mean less funding for development. boog's CCS took more than a week to fund when it used to be funded instantly. Eventually, Monero will wither
02:29:33
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
shen didnt go to firo, neither did surae
02:29:44
sashimi.:matrix.org:
maybe if he wasnt such a pain, some more contributors would be willing to lend a helping hand to current devs on the projects, pretty sure you could trace back everything being wrong with the project to that 1 dumbass tbh
02:29:50
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Surae currently works for cypherstack and is part of team auditing fcmp
02:31:21
gzx:metropolis.nexus:
that sounds like a dope team to be a part of
02:31:40
stutzman:matrix.org:
@09sashimi.:matrix.org: You don't seem to understand; Monero was attacked by actual bad actors. While ofrxmr is shady and probably a scammer, he isn't someone actively trying to ruin the project
02:32:07
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
stutz, let kitty live her fantasy
02:32:12
nioc:
honeyniocpot
02:32:25
stutzman:matrix.org:
The attackers targeted him a long time ago, although I'm not sure who they were
02:33:02
gzx:metropolis.nexus:
the gymnastics required to keep up with the allegations here is dizzying
02:33:15
sashimi.:matrix.org:
@stutzman:matrix.org: i have my own opinion regarding ofrn, whether his intents regarding the project, they're not good and is only bottlenecking actual contributions
02:33:28
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
Thats what she said
02:35:51
gan:skhron.org:
Does ofrn eat babies by any chance?
02:35:53
stutzman:matrix.org:
@05gzx:metropolis.nexus: These are not allegations; you can verify them yourself. This happened around the same time as the black marble attack. Someone used a script to automate bots on Matrix to attack ofrn. He was banned for months while feds were allowed to remain, and his CCS was also attacked. I can only blame ofrnxmr [... too long, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/xYOP7soKOGx4MTAy ]
02:36:21
stutzman:matrix.org:
kayaba has raised 0 XMR for Serai FWIW
02:36:34
nioc:
stutzman why do you need so many accounts
02:37:14
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
@11stutzman:matrix.org: Also less for fcmp dev
02:37:33
stutzman:matrix.org:
I prefer not to use my main account, as I do not wish to influence my own CCS proposals. If someone found out who I really am my funding would be affected
02:38:16
sashimi.:matrix.org:
ray dalio confirmed O_O
02:38:18
sashimi.:matrix.org:
writting his own press releases LOL
02:38:24
stutzman:matrix.org:
No lol
02:38:26
sashimi.:matrix.org:
:3
02:38:39
nioc:
I never saw ray here
02:38:52
stutzman:matrix.org:
nioc you're not in markets
02:39:04
stutzman:matrix.org:
No one from IRC is
02:39:09
nioc:
the matrix only markets?
02:39:32
stutzman:matrix.org:
#monero-markets:monero.social
02:39:58
nioc:
I think I was there once and found it useless
02:40:43
stutzman:matrix.org:
Almost all the conversation is useless
02:40:44
sashimi.:matrix.org:
making funny drawings on graphs and shits be like x)
02:40:48
sashimi.:matrix.org:
moon lambo maths even worse than #brosience tbh
02:41:17
stutzman:matrix.org:
It was only useful for a brief moment when Ray was there
02:41:33
sashimi.:matrix.org:
tho the one that doing the price reports on the monero podcast did predict the btc dip so gratz on that i guess, still dont care tho
02:41:46
stutzman:matrix.org:
Bawdy?
02:41:56
sashimi.:matrix.org:
right
02:42:29
stutzman:matrix.org:
In fact, Ray himself has probably spoken to 0xfffc, who might be reading the chat right now. He used to message different developers for fun
02:42:30
nioc:
my Cat predicted 3 moves in a row complete with purrfect timing
02:42:55
sashimi.:matrix.org:
0xfffc aka "xmr-mj" alt account LMAO
02:42:55
sashimi.:matrix.org:
well, not actually but funny shits
02:42:57
nioc:
then she got tired of being asked and took a rest
02:43:43
nioc:
I announced in a different channel
02:43:44
stutzman:matrix.org:
@09sashimi.:matrix.org: Don't listen to a word that fraud says. He used to post ramblings in r/xmrtrader and got banned for being annoying. He used AI to vibe-code a "Monero simulator" and tried to LARP as a developer. He's a sophist
02:44:28
stutzman:matrix.org:
I always skip his segments on MoneroTalk
02:44:35
stutzman:matrix.org:
Filler content
02:44:40
sashimi.:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/VGoRuecUcseViqNpchoHpFmh.png (image.png)
02:44:41
sashimi.:matrix.org:
nioc's Cat be liek
02:44:58
nioc:
:D
02:45:11
stutzman:matrix.org:
EqualFiLabs
02:46:39
stutzman:matrix.org:
Matt don'
02:46:47
stutzman:matrix.org:
t be a glownigger
02:47:43
stutzman:matrix.org:
@05gzx:metropolis.nexus: Here is where you find the truth. Don't mistake it for hate
02:47:51
nioc:
because it's difficult to behave like that in other channels
02:48:54
gzx:metropolis.nexus:
ah I see. This is the monero-uncut channel
02:49:16
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
not w/o juliu
02:50:02
sashimi.:matrix.org:
@stutzman:matrix.org:
02:50:02
sashimi.:matrix.org:
> Matt don't be a glownigger
02:50:02
sashimi.:matrix.org:
u meant @hooftly:matrix.org right?
02:50:07
stutzman:matrix.org:
Julius keeps trying to join back. Let the man return; he has a Master's degree, for crying out loud!
02:50:37
stutzman:matrix.org:
@09sashimi.:matrix.org: Yes, this guy is one of the DeFi Ethereum glowniggers
02:51:22
stutzman:matrix.org:
He created and rugged FMTA on Uniswap a few years back
02:51:23
sashimi.:matrix.org:
he a bit shy tbh
02:51:47
sashimi.:matrix.org:
fmta aka "fuck my tight ass" LMAO
02:51:47
sashimi.:matrix.org:
i remember that x)
02:52:12
stutzman:matrix.org:
@09sashimi.:matrix.org: He worked for:
02:52:12
stutzman:matrix.org:
> Civitas Fundamenta. Bridging the divide between compliance and decentralization. Building a cross-chain bridge and ecosystem of wrapped assets.
02:52:31
sashimi.:matrix.org:
i know x)
02:52:36
stutzman:matrix.org:
Bridging the divide between compliance and decentralization :)
02:53:31
sashimi.:matrix.org:
yea, guess he just shy tbh, just lurking for now
02:54:10
stutzman:matrix.org:
The glownigger isn't shy; he talks, but he got exposed
02:55:44
stutzman:matrix.org:
You will meet three kinds of people in Monero: schizo people like you and me, scammers like most of the developers, or fools like Bawdy and the Nazi astroturfers
02:55:47
sashimi.:matrix.org:
@hooftly:matrix.org: tbh i didnt even say shit, like literally dont have anyone in the dms so, that's on you right here tbh
02:56:55
sashimi.:matrix.org:
tbf there's a fine line between actual skyzophrenia and able to recognize patterns, asking the questions "what if this and that even if 0.01% chance, it's still worse considering just in case"
02:56:58
stutzman:matrix.org:
The astroturfers are retards, hanging out on X and Discord while reading this chat using their bot
02:57:38
sashimi.:matrix.org:
and using AI to make profile summary on people from their github....
02:58:33
stutzman:matrix.org:
@09sashimi.:matrix.org: I appreciate that you are willing to give the benefit of the doubt
03:03:28
hooftly:matrix.org:
I had a project that didnt work out it was not rugged. There is a difference. Yeah I was trying to build wrapped assets including wXMR. Was going to work with the custodian Balance here in canada but then they delisted XMR and plans went out the window. It ran for over 2 years it was not rugged. I learned a lot along the way.
03:27:25
benjibenjamin:matrix.org:
@03hooftly:matrix.org: Chart speaks for itself
03:27:26
benjibenjamin:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/RMULqQsSZUAAcxKapyuvatew.png (image.png)
03:28:25
sashimi.:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/DEdetaQIrEUWRmXQBVdHfehY.png (image.png)
03:28:56
benjibenjamin:matrix.org:
Who banned me
03:29:13
sashimi.:matrix.org:
banhammer went rogue
03:30:25
benjibenjamin:matrix.org:
It was probably plow, since charuto is no longer active and xmrscott was defeated
03:32:02
benjibenjamin:matrix.org:
I always get banned, but no one tells me why. If you do, I can stop the behavior you find bannable. FYI, to whoever is banning me
03:32:58
sashimi.:matrix.org:
dropping the hard R might be one of the reason idk lol
03:33:32
benjibenjamin:matrix.org:
ofrnxmr said faggot in the past and he's doing fine
03:33:44
benjibenjamin:matrix.org:
And nioc, this is exactly why I have to create alt accounts. I can't get my main account banned because I use it for dev work
03:35:17
sashimi.:matrix.org:
its whatever, u can be gay but not act like a dumb fag
03:35:17
sashimi.:matrix.org:
u can have autism but not be retarded
03:35:17
sashimi.:matrix.org:
eryone on the internet is a white american dude tho, so, cant say the N word even if tall dark and handsome O_O
03:35:17
sashimi.:matrix.org:
u would be surprised the amount of black people getting banned from the videogames just for being themselves...
04:18:31
neromonero1024:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8asS7yLpHk
04:19:40
sashimi.:matrix.org:
fuck is this lol
04:19:44
sashimi.:matrix.org:
end of the world type shit
04:19:50
sashimi.:matrix.org:
like 2012 be like or somethin lmao
04:20:22
neromonero1024:
the first part is concrete
04:20:51
neromonero1024:
earth's magnetic power is waning... so, it's easily susceptible to solar winds/cmes
04:21:01
sashimi.:matrix.org:
pretty much end of the world in my living room rn, doggos being damn menaces lmao, gotta brb anyways lmao
04:21:14
neromonero1024:
XDD
05:26:50
orly_owl:
the doggo room
05:27:50
sashimi.:matrix.org:
o7 reddit user
05:27:50
sashimi.:matrix.org:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdulsXno-Tw
05:32:10
gan:skhron.org:
if so, The Spectacle would be really nice to participate > <@09sashimi.:matrix.org> end of the world type shit
05:46:18
sashimi.:matrix.org:
some people just wanna see the world burn i guess smh
06:28:29
321bob321:
sith lords node is getting hit hard again ?
06:29:07
sashimi.:matrix.org:
@benjibenjamin:matrix.org:
06:29:07
sashimi.:matrix.org:
> I would rather trust a government institution overseeing CCS than relying on some random core members in Monero to manage it, for example. Officials in core can be elected democratically, which is a thinking long-term approach. Remember, governments are filled with people making decisions. Not robots.
06:29:07
sashimi.:matrix.org:
while who gives a fuck about author of the message, content of the message is what matter i guess, i dont even know who the fuck that ray dalio even is lol[... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/lOjl9MoKazNScDRS ]
06:44:56
oronuevo:nope.chat:
@09sashimi.:matrix.org: I like the idea of many orgs offering their custodian service over funds. You'd want many many custodian services holding a divided amount of funds on behalf of the "monero project". With each org having a public platform where they recieve requests from "representatives" of Monero project and you can [... too long, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/6eSf9coKcFZQeHhj ]
06:45:27
oronuevo:nope.chat:
I like the idea of many orgs offering their custodian service over funds. You'd want many many custodian services holding a partial amount of funds on behalf of the "monero project". With each org having a public platform where they recieve requests from "representatives" of Monero project and you can see live their responses [... too long, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/idWh9coKQXN0SlJ5 ]
06:45:36
oronuevo:nope.chat:
@09sashimi.:matrix.org: I like the idea of many orgs offering their custodian service over funds. You'd want many many custodian services holding a partial amount of funds on behalf of the "monero project". With each org having a public platform where they recieve requests from "representatives" of Monero project and you can [... too long, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/-Zui9coKOUh4TjJk ]
06:46:37
oronuevo:nope.chat:
These orgs could charge a fee, to incentivize good behavior.
06:47:59
oronuevo:nope.chat:
The orgs could in turn hold the funds in multi-sig accounts, with each key member being either a public figure or pseudo anonymous and/or with some reputation
07:00:17
sashimi.:matrix.org:
i like that, ship it, make it happen or somethin lol
07:13:56
sashimi.:matrix.org:
probably, you would have to get through the merge gatekeepers first tho, which might be threatened by it x)
07:14:10
oronuevo:nope.chat:
lol
07:14:20
oronuevo:nope.chat:
I really wonder what others think of something like this? If it gets built what are the chances it gets some adoption? At the very least, if custodians charged a "service fee", they'd have some economic incentive to behave
07:15:14
sashimi.:matrix.org:
would there be a failsafe to boot off the ones that dont behave with that design tho?
07:19:35
oronuevo:nope.chat:
Sort of. What do you do in the real world if someone you hired for a job rips you off or acts inappropriately? At the very least, you ruin their reputation. That punishment could work here too
07:24:35
sashimi.:matrix.org:
> I really wonder what others think of something like this?
07:24:35
sashimi.:matrix.org:
> and agreed, more input would be appreciated
16:20:01
nioc:
whatever your name is today, anon CCS has been merged
16:20:10
nioc:
along with a few others
16:20:30
nioc:
https://ccs.getmonero.org/funding-required/
16:46:04
basses:matrix.org:
nioc: https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/p/3-O4hssKbjNIZTRH/1.txt (code snippet, 4 lines)
16:46:28
basses:matrix.org:
refuses to elaborate
16:46:30
basses:matrix.org:
CCS gets accepts.
16:46:48
nioc:
based upon prior work
16:47:10
nioc:
yes those issues were mentioned in the CCS meeting
16:47:25
nioc:
also very easy to work with :D
16:48:15
nioc:
autists making the world better !!
16:48:52
basses:matrix.org:
oh I missed it, I know the anon is pretty capable but it is very vague from anyone that donates especially normies etc
16:49:30
nioc:
let's see how the whales feel :)
16:49:37
basses:matrix.org:
hopefully some retired engineer that already made stakes from big tech donates!
16:51:11
plowsof:
Gatekeepers at the ccs strike again, they cant keep getting away with it
16:57:02
ofrnxmr:
Doesnt write descriptions on prs either > <@basses:matrix.org> refuses to elaborate
16:57:10
ofrnxmr:
actions speak louder than words
16:57:37
ofrnxmr:
Includes tests and finds issues that most people dont even understand even when explained
16:59:19
nioc:
we need more undocumented code \o/
17:00:28
ofrnxmr:
its not like he aims to introduce new features
17:00:51
sashimi.:matrix.org:
still the concerns of inflation bug being introduced on purpose for the shits and the giggles cause people cant properly audit undocumented code x)
17:01:15
ofrnxmr:
theres a 4000 line pr to change the wallet api, and a 9000 line for eepe
17:01:18
ofrnxmr:
Epee
17:01:33
ofrnxmr:
Pds largest merged or is like 1300lines with tests
17:02:00
ofrnxmr:
The hypocrisy is astounding. He's not adding 20k loc of undocumented mass rewrites
17:02:29
ofrnxmr:
Hypocrisy & id argue fud. Youre not adding in inflation bug my fixing a networking deadlock
17:02:48
ofrnxmr:
And if you do, then reviewers are trash and didnt notice that you messed with consensus code
17:03:21
plowsof:
The battle will move to the payout requests :p
17:03:26
sashimi.:matrix.org:
sounds like ofrn on the payroll to get some of those printed new coins from inflation bug /s
17:03:35
boog900:
@ofrnxmr: tbf if you can split the chain you can double spend, and chain splits due to networking have been shown
17:04:18
nioc:
hopefully one person's code doesn't get merged without proper review
17:04:27
ofrnxmr:
we literally tagged one (or more than one)
17:04:43
ofrnxmr:
tx extra limit caused chainsplits
17:05:15
ravfx:xmr.mx:
Can't we just get rid of txextra?
17:05:29
boog900:
@ofrnxmr: lol did it?
17:05:34
ofrnxmr:
yeah
17:06:06
ofrnxmr:
We had to re-tag after people (cc plowsof) tested it and noticed that it was dropping connections
17:06:10
sashimi.:matrix.org:
nioc: sounds like a decent way to contribute, to have multiple people behind a single alias, that audit the code themselves beforehand
17:06:41
ofrnxmr:
nioc: It "never does" but yet ofc still happens
17:07:24
boog900:
@ofrnxmr: ah yeah I remember
17:07:33
ofrnxmr:
Like 7999 by pd (iirc 300loc), was left open and ultimately an alternative was moved forward with (9000loc)and is also left open
17:07:35
ofrnxmr:
3000* loc
17:08:42
ofrnxmr:
either a) we add serialization limits that will cause a chain halt at 30mb blocks, or we review an actual fix at either 3000loc or 9000loc
17:09:13
ofrnxmr:
weve been stick with the former for _five_years
17:09:21
boog900:
tbc I am not against the proposal
17:10:04
boog900:
just wanted to mention how even non consensus code having issues can lead to consensus issues
17:10:09
redsh4de:matrix.org:
@ravfx:xmr.mx: What is tx_extra even used for? Iirc the content there isn't even encrypted so it can't be used as a secure message field between sender and receiver
17:10:34
ofrnxmr:
currently used fkr subaddress pubkeys etc
17:10:42
ofrnxmr:
Fcmp uses it for some other stuff
17:10:53
boog900:
to properly fix this will probably require new P2P messages, in which case I would rather some discussion than just making the changes > <@ofrnxmr> either a) we add serialization limits that will cause a chain halt at 30mb blocks, or we review an actual fix at either 3000loc or 9000loc
17:11:11
ofrnxmr:
@boog900: 7999 and 8867
17:11:16
boog900:
as even if you remove the limits at 30 MB you still have the packet limit
17:11:17
nioc:
don't pools also use tx extra
17:11:29
ofrnxmr:
Its fixed by replacing/getting rid of the dom, isnt it?
17:11:44
nioc:
services find tx extra useful
17:11:51
ofrnxmr:
nioc: i think txextra for coinbases is supposed to be left untouched
17:12:27
ofrnxmr:
nioc: Right, my cex can put my tax ID in it :P
17:13:05
ofrnxmr:
@boog900: i dont recall when the 100mb packet limit was added. Was it always there?
17:13:10
boog900:
no you still need a limit on a single packet size > <@ofrnxmr> Its fixed by replacing/getting rid of the dom, isnt it?
17:13:51
boog900:
So you need to split sending blocks into multiple messages
17:13:52
plowsof:
We have +2k line 'parse multiple uri' prs to review
17:14:02
ofrnxmr:
plowsof: thank you
17:14:06
boog900:
or at least you need the ability to if the block is too big
17:18:18
boog900:
@ofrnxmr: just checked, it was always there
17:18:43
DataHoarder:
18:11:09 <nioc> don't pools also use tx extra
17:18:43
DataHoarder:
yep, miner tx
17:19:04
DataHoarder:
tx extra tbh should be lazy parsed
17:19:13
DataHoarder:
many times it will include totally bogus data
17:19:56
DataHoarder:
for example in broken Tari merge mined blocks that overwrite raw bytes there and overwrite the pubkey (and lost the monero, unless you bruteforce ~7 - 11 bytes of it)
17:21:41
DataHoarder:
tx extra is something the end consumer (wallet) reads, not the consensus part, except check length of the byte buffer
17:22:27
DataHoarder:
there's a "convention" for encoding values there for most wallets, but you could put practically anything you wish, if you can read it back
17:22:58
DataHoarder:
after FCMP++ / Carrot it'd be heavily limited except for miner tx (which do have a limit as well)
17:23:01
DataHoarder:
18:10:34 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> Fcmp uses it for some other stuff
17:23:06
DataHoarder:
^ Carrot
17:25:36
DataHoarder:
*it's currently limited by relay, not consensus
18:20:53
plowsof:
noticed some new text @ tradeogre.com "If you wish to make a claim regarding this seizure, please communicate at the following address..."
18:22:03
ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:
"please turn yourself in so we can ask you for 712 forms of kyc before trying to find out that you didnt claim this on youe 2020 taxes"
19:23:36
plowsof:
they said i can come to the station to pick up the wownero
19:34:40
nioc:
plowsof: I believe that is directed at the owners of TO
19:40:25
sech1:
"on the following dates : September 15th, September 17th, October 1st, October 3rd and from October 27th to November 5th, inclusively, 2025"
19:40:28
sech1:
too late anyway
19:42:42
nioc:
if only I could read legalize
19:43:11
nioc:
looks like on Nov 17th they are ruling on prior extensions
19:44:00
nioc:
on a scale of 1-10 for the effort to understand this I rate my effort at 0.5
19:45:07
Cindy:
hi
19:45:27
nioc:
meow
19:45:48
Cindy:
hello nioc
19:46:21
nioc:
you missed the on topic discussion here
19:46:40
nioc:
guess anything is possible
19:46:47
Cindy:
what is the on topic discussion
19:48:12
nioc:
new CCS funding and work being done
19:48:30
Cindy:
work on what
19:49:38
nioc:
more like how work gets done
19:49:49
Cindy:
on what
19:49:55
Cindy:
i'm confused :(
19:51:29
nioc:
how nonconcensus changes can affect consensus code
19:51:47
nioc:
nothing too specific
19:51:55
Cindy:
i see
19:52:06
nioc:
uocoming work from the new CCSs
19:52:19
nioc:
*upcoming
19:52:33
nioc:
https://ccs.getmonero.org/funding-required/
21:35:50
Cindy:
auto k-lined
21:36:05
Cindy:
guys, he's never joining again
22:31:55
baz:
Juli?
22:32:14
ravfx:xmr.mx:
I think so, Julius always get klined
22:32:29
baz:
poor guy
22:38:56
baz:
how are you RavFX?
22:39:38
ravfx:xmr.mx:
baz: Doing fine, and you?
22:50:20
baz:
i'm well, i was traveling for work and got back a few days ago. i was in berlin for 2 weeks. 5 min off the U-Bahn i see one of you... https://0x0.st/KOyw.png
22:51:32
DataHoarder:
^ these are all over some areas in Stockholm
22:51:43
DataHoarder:
like one trashcan or post has 3-5
22:51:53
sashimi.:matrix.org:
ayyyy, got some custom printed looking just like that (but official monero on the Monero) printed from vistaprint, like 5000 for i think was 300 bucks few years ago
22:51:59
DataHoarder:
not that sticker, I think a different one
22:54:09
sashimi.:matrix.org:
these ones came from monerobull iirc, i didnt sell mine tho, just been doing bike trips and walking the doggos all over the place tho x)
22:54:54
sashimi.:matrix.org:
sticking them on ATMs, some even lasted years and prob still here to this day, havent checked in awhile tho
23:00:13
baz:
whoever it was, it got a big smile out of me. o/
23:01:19
sashimi.:matrix.org:
i bet, my reaction if seeing one like that in the wild would be my reaction legit:
23:01:20
sashimi.:matrix.org:
https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/xGQejRHgnylWhcdfFxHorZYs.png (image.png)
23:04:02
baz:
yeah, lol
23:58:49
321bob321:
https://element.io/blog/verifying-your-devices-is-becoming-mandatory-2
23:59:11
321bob321:
rip plowsof
23:59:12
sashimi.:matrix.org:
these rooms are not encrypted anyways so it dont apply for the most part
23:59:50
Cindy:
yo
23:59:54
Cindy:
IRC people